From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from esa1.mentor.iphmx.com (esa1.mentor.iphmx.com [68.232.129.153]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47A53385803F for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:00:19 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 47A53385803F Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=codesourcery.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=joseph_myers@mentor.com IronPort-SDR: Ahdsf9Z6UekVK9QbT0pMu9tELUzNkaqO4mDGmZeqicnoh5fvLBV9/l5IsKIm3i2rrIQNWBF7yt 88yIqgS2ewePU5MDYZJizbiErAMJZOotfSXW5K0ThXpLgZ0986qoAO3OG8cAS5NmrdcdVCROvB ZV7Ey+d10w21J/KwyLttGHdB0zi8fOGMunq4+L9I41axtQqL992KeI6mY2fFlyD3QnKtUwaHRo 2csMlKzX7LTZ9VALBkGBca6XGohBf4xx8bTO3waDIH2JPTyRpnmWzDfRbtghIM1lL9SrHUDzcc 3rY= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.82,226,1613462400"; d="scan'208";a="62562513" Received: from orw-gwy-01-in.mentorg.com ([192.94.38.165]) by esa1.mentor.iphmx.com with ESMTP; 15 Apr 2021 16:00:17 -0800 IronPort-SDR: zr5vF+QSx4p7AaObWgB+ugfSkNh/FEufsMnyOt0n1OMdz2OwJvVfseHadpzHX/Zffmm4M+vQy4 fdAHHMK5IhTWomFSMd+ryhrx6nsqMQYexF7h1iSPcKDzhrGjDrYGnYayHMrpRshvdzHvyBSvV2 mQzEHYijsakdBo5p6hz9glfqYPu77ti8W443DM0cXlpNWW9polraCmWqCFcaG81u+SVP826gIE O4Uqb6cjrXExR/Zm6mYozFPto+QxaLm8hc2NaYcNPe/qiOqfQaXshxv6UcfjGBtEXJLt596f9/ h5o= Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:00:12 +0000 From: Joseph Myers X-X-Sender: jsm28@digraph.polyomino.org.uk To: Frosku CC: Christopher Dimech , GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (DEB 394 2020-01-19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Originating-IP: [137.202.0.90] X-ClientProxiedBy: svr-ies-mbx-02.mgc.mentorg.com (139.181.222.2) To svr-ies-mbx-01.mgc.mentorg.com (139.181.222.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3122.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:00:21 -0000 On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, Frosku wrote: > There is a colossal difference between commercial use and commercial > entities buying control of projects currently governed by entities > which are answerable to the grassroots (GNU) and then toppling that RMS's notion of GNU is as something under his personal direction and control, not answerable to the grassroots at all. For answerability to the grassroots, whatever organization the toolchain falls under, it's better for it to *explicitly* act only as an umbrella organization, serving the toolchain community rather than having any authority to direct it. -- Joseph S. Myers joseph@codesourcery.com