From: David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
Cc: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>,
David Malcolm <dmalcolm@redhat.com>,
gcc@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:27:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b573be2a-604b-b5e1-88a9-ffeb9e53874a@hesbynett.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-72b7aade-0fa9-4012-a740-b96f0fbfb714-1617991360863@3c-app-mailcom-bs05>
On 09/04/2021 20:02, Christopher Dimech wrote:
>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 5:01 AM
>> From: "David Brown" <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
>>
>> Different opinions are fine. Bringing national or international
>> politics into the discussion (presumably meant to be as an insult) is
>> not fine. This is not a political discussion - please stop trying to
>> make it one.
>
> It is an assessment of what you propose. The removal of people from all
> positions is a political statements. I have no problem with political
> discussions and certainly don't take instructions from you, to say the
> least! What you talk about is exactly what drives Chinese and Russian
> officials to suppress anybody who does not conform with their demands.
> The consequences will be the same should you and others get your way
> of doing things.
There is a big difference between suppression or censorship, and wanting
people in leadership positions to be representative of the values of the
group they lead. RMS can have all the opinions he wants, and act has he
will (until he ends up arrested for it), but if he is to remain a
representative for others (FSF, GNU and/or GCC), then he has a duty to
act appropriately according to the values those organisations think are
important.
I think that you mix up freedom and free reins. Freedom is not anarchy.
Being free from sexism, prejudice, bullying, and harassment are as
important as freedom of speech or politics.
>>
>> We (the free software world) does not need a person with the qualities
>> of RMS any more - that is the point. There should not be such a
>> position as "Chief GNUsance".
>
> Secondly, I cannot clearly see what status you have for making statements
> that imply a representation for the free software world!!!
>
I have said very clearly that I am a user of gcc - not a developer, and
the opinions I express are very much my own. The does not hinder me
from saying what I think the free software world (developers and users)
want or need. I have not made any claims or suggestions that I am privy
to the minds of others, or that my opinions and ideas are in any way
more weighty than those of others.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-10 12:27 UTC|newest]
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2021-03-26 20:02 Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee Nathan Sidwell
2021-03-26 20:20 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-26 20:51 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-26 21:18 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-26 21:34 ` David Malcolm
2021-03-26 21:09 ` Marek Polacek
2021-03-26 22:53 ` Hi-Angel
2021-03-26 23:50 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-27 7:08 ` Didier Kryn
2021-03-27 21:44 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-03-29 17:28 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2021-03-27 13:38 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-03-27 14:10 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-27 15:45 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-03-27 17:12 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-03-27 17:33 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-28 14:50 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-03-28 17:25 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-03-28 19:01 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-03-28 2:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-03-28 2:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-03-28 4:08 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-28 12:47 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-28 13:19 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-28 14:33 ` JeanHeyd Meneide
2021-03-28 18:13 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-28 18:42 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-28 19:15 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-30 0:20 ` Joseph Myers
2021-03-30 1:32 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-30 8:20 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-30 2:08 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-03-30 10:03 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-28 17:58 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-28 18:24 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-03-28 23:21 ` Soul Studios
2021-03-29 0:20 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-29 12:18 ` Richard Kenner
2021-03-29 21:41 ` Soul Studios
2021-03-29 23:32 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-30 0:09 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-03-30 0:39 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-30 1:30 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-30 1:56 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-30 9:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-30 11:56 ` Richard Kenner
[not found] ` <20210330115515.E8A2033CB0@vlsi1.gnat.com>
2021-03-30 12:33 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-30 9:28 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-30 12:37 ` Richard Kenner
2021-03-27 20:49 ` Martin Liška
2021-03-27 22:10 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-28 17:48 ` Jeff Law
2021-03-27 22:07 ` Martin Jambor
2021-03-28 15:26 ` Jeff Law
2021-03-29 10:11 ` Richard Biener
2021-03-30 8:25 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-30 9:47 ` Didier Kryn
2021-03-30 9:52 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-30 9:52 ` Didier Kryn
2021-03-30 10:12 ` Andrew Haley
2021-03-30 10:34 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-30 11:12 ` Andrew Haley
2021-03-30 11:32 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-30 10:50 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-03-30 13:16 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-03-30 13:30 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-30 16:50 ` Martin Jambor
2021-03-30 17:10 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-03-30 18:30 ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-03-30 18:52 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-03-30 16:56 ` Markus Böck
2021-03-30 17:07 ` JeanHeyd Meneide
2021-03-30 17:45 ` Joseph Myers
2021-03-30 18:13 ` Christopher Dimech
[not found] ` <CAFVAEf2CP87uEuca677MQt4hriQWk5Rn4s9AaQ0yGPUpAeXWpg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <trinity-9f325315-c1b2-4fb5-b094-c0fd1534172a-1617140135769@3c-app-mailcom-bs07>
[not found] ` <CAFVAEf2QDDXMwAu1vtLpf-Gvqz6i19Jmph3dao9V6iWyysudMg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <trinity-b0f59ed8-7545-49d0-979a-b6a5323107e5-1617146046177@3c-app-mailcom-bs07>
2021-03-30 23:56 ` Andrew Sutton
2021-03-30 18:09 ` JeanHeyd Meneide
2021-03-30 21:28 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-03-30 22:18 ` Joseph Myers
2021-03-31 8:53 ` Martin Jambor
2021-03-31 13:26 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-03-31 11:34 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-31 12:28 ` Richard Biener
2021-03-31 12:55 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-31 12:59 ` David Edelsohn
2021-03-31 13:21 ` Richard Biener
2021-04-06 10:34 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-31 13:46 ` Florian Weimer
2021-03-31 15:23 ` David Edelsohn
2021-03-31 15:43 ` Richard Biener
2021-03-31 15:43 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-03-31 12:46 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-06 22:22 ` GCC association with the FSF Mark Wielaard
2021-04-06 22:28 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-07 14:04 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-07 17:17 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-07 17:21 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-08 15:00 ` David Brown
2021-04-08 16:43 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-08 18:40 ` David Brown
2021-04-11 21:23 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 22:41 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-08 19:30 ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-04-09 11:48 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-04-09 14:47 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 16:30 ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-04-10 12:58 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-04-10 16:34 ` David Brown
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2021-04-12 4:17 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-04-08 17:22 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-08 18:26 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-08 20:26 ` David Brown
2021-04-11 13:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-04-11 14:03 ` David Brown
2021-04-11 14:42 ` Christopher Dimech
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2021-03-31 13:28 ` Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee Giacomo Tesio
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2021-03-31 14:47 ` Christopher Dimech
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2021-03-31 15:43 ` Christopher Dimech
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2021-03-31 2:51 ` JeanHeyd Meneide
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2021-03-30 15:24 ` Maksim Fomin
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2021-04-11 19:56 ` Jonathan Wakely
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2021-04-11 23:30 ` Jonathan Wakely
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2021-04-11 22:23 ` Alexandre Oliva
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