From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::e]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 681493896820 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:00:35 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 681493896820 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=gotplt.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gcc-refused-email@gnu.org Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41284) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lVsQp-0004GU-Bk for gcc@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 05:00:34 -0400 Received: from hamster.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.80]:18064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVsQn-0004vg-Ea for gcc@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 05:00:31 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5E922309; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-18-66.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.18.66]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7B608220AA; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:00:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.96.18.66 (trex/6.1.1); Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:00:26 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Bitter-Ski: 0c04d1571316cce7_1618218025746_886005665 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1618218025745:1807853689 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1618218025744 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9FD8AD4B; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 02:00:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=gotplt.org; h=subject:to :cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=gotplt.org; bh=wi6wGn xKtINq9R9N5XuZWs3cglo=; b=skfH9phnsoYUr5taVZpMkI4pt7Yo3nD990Rbk5 hIs6DY+6xrBP3o0xDDvPPIj1Ohw4xQ4JvBU/huMEmEV8iLOPm71z8wFMg50JJGRn pz+GXjjo7O0/FOcrApyIOCjb57HFLIHea1Tt+hSHNe/xgxRP80gtqkCI4zR62Pjk poQoE= Received: from [192.168.1.111] (unknown [1.186.101.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: siddhesh@gotplt.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BB488AD49; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 02:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF To: John Darrington , Adhemerval Zanella Cc: gcc@gnu.org References: <41ACF3B0-7948-4700-B9D8-9869894E35A2@linaro.org> <20210412072527.GA19263@jocasta.intra> X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a24 From: Siddhesh Poyarekar Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 14:30:16 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210412072527.GA19263@jocasta.intra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.209.80; envelope-from=siddhesh@gotplt.org; helo=hamster.birch.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3027.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:00:36 -0000 On 4/12/21 12:55 PM, John Darrington wrote: > In GNU, there are no "senior" (or junior) developers/maintainers. Maintainers > have some specific responsibilities, with which developers are not emcumbered. > In almost all projects, the maintainers are also developers, but this need not > be the case. But all maintainers are equal, and all developers are equal. Those are terms we tend to use in the glibc developer community to loosely indicate the amount of time and resources individuals have spent in the glibc project as developers, testers, release managers, etc. In fact, 'maintainer' in glibc is not the same as 'maintainer' in GNU because they're not GNU maintainers. We call GNU maintainers "FSF stewards" in glibc to disambiguate that. It doesn't matter what these roles are called in GNU because they're not the names we use in the glibc community on a day to day basis. That said, we can have a conversation about glibc on the glibc mailing list. The gcc mailing list is not the place for it. In the interest of keeping the thread relevant, this is my last email on this topic on the gcc mailing list. Siddhesh