From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19362 invoked by alias); 17 Nov 2004 23:47:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 19327 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 23:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO main.gmane.org) (80.91.229.2) by sourceware.org with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 23:47:12 -0000 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CUZW3-0005JK-00 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:47:11 +0100 Received: from mail.ci.santa-rosa.ca.us ([206.176.226.230]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:47:11 +0100 Received: from aperez by mail.ci.santa-rosa.ca.us with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:47:11 +0100 To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org From: Alex Perez Subject: Re: Is ObjC++ still in time for 4.0? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:50:00 -0000 Message-ID: References: <93CA0604-38E1-11D9-9815-0030654C2998@hamburg.de> <20041117224033.7788.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> <20041117230536.GA6006@disaster.jaj.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.ci.santa-rosa.ca.us User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20041027) In-Reply-To: <20041117230536.GA6006@disaster.jaj.com> Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org X-SW-Source: 2004-11/txt/msg00590.txt.bz2 Phil Edwards wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 02:40:33PM -0800, Gregory John Casamento wrote: > >>Guys.. This type of outburst is atypical coming from me, but I must say >>this... >> >>Argh!! C'mon... c'mon... c'mon... ObjC++ has been perpetually forthcoming for >>the past two years! What does it take to get Objective-C++ in? It has been >>so frustrating waiting for this. There is *so much software* which would be >>trivial to reuse once this is done. >> >>Please, just get past all of the politics and get it in! > > > Lots of screaming and yelling about "just do it," but nobody in the ObjC++ > community so far has answered the objections brought up the last time. > > Politics aren't what's keeping it out. Front-ends aren't popularity > contests; the GCC maintainers aren't going to suddenly start checking in > troublesome code just because X number of potential users really, really > want it. If you want it in 4.0, then start answering questions and propose > cleaner designs than the ones so far. > > maybe you could actually be specific about what the concerns are instead of spreading more FUD about the front-end changes. As best *I* understood it, the person preventing the changes from going in was Geoff Keating, because he "wanted time to think about it" (nearly two months ago, mind you)...if this is a false impression on my part, please, SPECIFICALLY, address the issues which are preventing it from getting into GCC, so someone can actually do something about it.