From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf29.google.com (mail-qv1-xf29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f29]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34F013947411 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:54:41 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 34F013947411 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=acm.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=nathanmsidwell@gmail.com Received: by mail-qv1-xf29.google.com with SMTP id gv2so701203qvb.8 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 07:54:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+juSmd9nDrXOz7RGQquZcxsOkqRsfRN/WS1KZYg+rSk=; b=PSHsC7h8a8Vzfup/0Q+J78HhtrBEp72/mxxGoNOaKlHgufWg26NVXrrvuZUJsUCqvK hEXCr3HGIvoV7TAsoZTeOalsdiVjWwjNrvn7r/mrbUlY3m0y/tsKYkUqazXngFb75pKe 6LwGYUNdoB+XnZ5CD/IRFibL4RHe69qPtvi6o0OleMBFTZTcIpC+GIwTuLHti2YPe07R UwXVjrSzhSYHo0YT0BR1yTQZqXW4ICssN1KoWl+hB4Fs78JhP+Xgx1vgYAnalIZv0ypn 95vumuG0vF07yTRd0I4PCtDY9ooUWxOR0gv5QaOhqyxYgEp7Fq1DgFaajkvo/VToRe4j f7mg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+juSmd9nDrXOz7RGQquZcxsOkqRsfRN/WS1KZYg+rSk=; b=ljsZBoU/UARVsL3XLtYHU1uhpwEmn11KEQRDOipTY+Xl0jehrT2C9HomkddZKn+dtX cJAIBltm4ssFc/KV/pkMhDi4OuV37jGGKdwVIMFDqLV6KTtf8XTXoXc5SDQqo6YIVYrb IlFmese3fdD9BYZ/4MkM5+dc8h1W4q6n1hE3ZD2NnONgIqWRcOr6idpUuj1Wvefp9tNw PQxZ6sSt+JoXqohugXEMzw12VRhFtdNX/PautOftKDTLxDAdFRGGfKUeeEibeTU9qs0z 5KDTRiW3xHJWIMQfvq0KX3j8IZjAOpVHPiriY938Jc7Knq1fVLLF7j6+B0Z78JUtBU83 kvbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532I43OGjohx2gxD26bMC05i8pAL3m7eGdX3S/mM7C2g7cUbR1OI TPqMVPBXc79fRh+zOMMlyFA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy8SnrYvlTsTJpsX71A7pC3N8aHFTamp2D5JzHBmHSzZ52CogInmK9m3DkGizmHTj0egeadaQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:cc91:: with SMTP id f17mr12538018qvl.1.1618412080798; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 07:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2620:10d:c0a8:1102:b7d:9c1c:b510:a315? ([2620:10d:c091:480::1:a65d]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z6sm12125217qtv.69.2021.04.14.07.54.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Apr 2021 07:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Nathan Sidwell Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers To: Richard Kenner , esr@thyrsus.com Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> From: Nathan Sidwell Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 10:54:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3031.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:54:42 -0000 On 4/14/21 10:23 AM, Richard Kenner wrote: >> The choice to have a policy for ejecting jerks has serious costs. >> One of those costs is the kind of rancorous dispute that has been >> burning like a brushfire on this list the last few weeks. > > I agree. Look at the huge ongoing debate about Section 230 in the US > that's been going on for at least months. This is something that seems > like it ought to have a simple solution, but it doesn't. > The choice to /not/ have a policy for ejecting jerks has serious costs. One of those costs is the kind of rancorous dispute that has been burning like a brushfire on this list the last few weeks. -- Nathan Sidwell