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From: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>
To: Allan Sandfeld Jensen <linux@carewolf.com>, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Cc: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: GCC turns &~ into | due to undefined bit-shift without warning
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:38:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e2c37a42-5daa-1e6b-502e-767ffc14b332@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6941168.EvYhyI6sBW@twilight>

On 3/22/19 10:20 AM, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote:
> On Freitag, 22. März 2019 11:02:39 CET Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 3/21/19 10:19 PM, Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote:
>>> From having fixed UBSAN warnings, I have seen many cases where undefined
>>> behavior was performed, but where the code was aware of it and the final
>>> result of the expression was well defined nonetheless.
>>
>> Is this belief about undefined behaviour commonplace among C programmers?
>> There's nothing in the standard to justify it: any expression which contains
>> UB is undefined.
> 
> Yes, even GCC uses undefined behavior when it is considered defined for 
> specific architecture,

If it's defined for a specific architecture it's not undefined. Any compiler
is entitled to do anything with UB, and "anything" includes extending the
language to make it well defined.

-- 
Andrew Haley
Java Platform Lead Engineer
Red Hat UK Ltd. <https://www.redhat.com>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-03-22 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-11  8:49 Moritz Strübe
2019-03-11  9:14 ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-03-11 11:06   ` Moritz Strübe
2019-03-11 11:17     ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-03-20 14:08       ` Moritz Strübe
2019-03-20 14:26         ` Christophe Lyon
2019-03-20 15:39           ` Moritz Strübe
2019-03-20 15:49         ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-03-20 17:36         ` Andrew Haley
2019-03-21  8:17           ` Richard Biener
2019-03-21  8:25             ` Alexander Monakov
2019-03-21  8:35               ` Richard Biener
2019-03-21  8:54           ` Moritz Strübe
2019-03-21  9:52             ` Andrew Haley
2019-03-11 11:24     ` Vincent Lefevre
2019-03-11 12:51       ` David Brown
2019-03-12 15:40         ` Vincent Lefevre
2019-03-12 20:57           ` David Brown
2019-03-13  2:25             ` Vincent Lefevre
2019-03-13 10:18               ` David Brown
2019-03-26 22:51                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2019-03-21 22:20   ` Allan Sandfeld Jensen
2019-03-21 22:31     ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-03-22  9:27       ` Allan Sandfeld Jensen
2019-03-22  9:50         ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-03-22 10:02     ` Andrew Haley
2019-03-22 10:20       ` Allan Sandfeld Jensen
2019-03-22 12:28         ` David Brown
2019-03-22 12:40           ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-03-22 13:38         ` Andrew Haley [this message]
2019-03-22 14:35           ` Allan Sandfeld Jensen
2019-03-22 22:08             ` Andrew Pinski
2019-03-22 22:38               ` Andrew Pinski
2019-03-22 23:42               ` Joseph Myers

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