From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd33.google.com (mail-io1-xd33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB8A13858D39 for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 03:18:18 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org CB8A13858D39 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com Received: by mail-io1-xd33.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-76c5db6a5cfso276043539f.2 for ; Thu, 11 May 2023 20:18:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1683861498; x=1686453498; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:cc:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vTF9AngDIiPjGPZLOUAknTYzabVm8rFdDkfdyKNIo94=; b=TEIJdsyfZaz+bG+vhP/9J+MFKpxMrZDdnTTxN0djNfT7j9Av/EGeDLj40X2TsH7wps 0AkobY5n70CDa4kyvnGDTrSQfnHGVMWiR4yRCznV9oy6vAOUMdVKJA/6xxoAhtgDBjJH Lw9oV4Mjo0ppOmk+qvhHSq/seFbGOvjw4VGftrGRYC5TfoDZC67KCOO667iVZfQ/xf+1 gXizjHUeGSRcQgOh/wKlHvuWeMYFHtQ0mdcF/n0sOjVpwInn3zsHA9M1OuuE6O+GbpZL acBQaSBdRFwBbedsjLJbP6o+6wosu7W1+wXJGOqpsn2RWxGol0r8FugJkA9sfQAH6UKJ m0vg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683861498; x=1686453498; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:cc:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vTF9AngDIiPjGPZLOUAknTYzabVm8rFdDkfdyKNIo94=; b=Pgn86bMRkf0zAJ/x1yjeG3Hl33uqg/uwm5J1fVqXtRmUlC6hkMiMxlV5ItWRPHv7/K W3JfT50Dv2rsmst5Oz0/Ae1L4o7LYZE/Tir1DDvHqJnic1FsbLjcMzrL1AsKYO1dBgLJ 4Nml0pvZbF9Fg6T71A7DQMcmwRNcLXehhUokcY4jsdrv/L2sNGZ3Ji98Yh+25Xwv8AZk 4sBUyS9C/wd+JFefv2IzKA0KYIL6Bhq2cUQorRYSxXkH8KkjVdf1GrW8Yg6UWhMOwddd E8c9gNGFcLKZss/NbPKoUTkwNdZ3ZEUoPM9pAGnxVdFbTcHUZRyNNR41c4Va1BfuVwoN rkag== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDz3tX4/9ZfYr/axiFUkFf1AMStZLYPZnD+CcthWpGBOiMb6z48y ZBxfu6dBX5F6Xm9gaXaX8yw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ5l1wMgN4Q9JalJVkRuMFFfSi8yq0Uw83ZiVXdoakonfUHsq20JFMMfj452cYJ8l+0i2GirgQ== X-Received: by 2002:a6b:db0d:0:b0:76c:785f:8f82 with SMTP id t13-20020a6bdb0d000000b0076c785f8f82mr3659283ioc.6.1683861497927; Thu, 11 May 2023 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPV6:2600:1700:57f0:ca20:763a:c795:fcf6:91ea? ([2600:1700:57f0:ca20:763a:c795:fcf6:91ea]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bp9-20020a056638440900b004165f649688sm4474856jab.110.2023.05.11.20.18.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 May 2023 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 23:18:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.1 Subject: Re: More C type errors by default for GCC 14 Content-Language: en-US-large To: Po Lu Cc: Eli Zaretskii , gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <87mt2behdl.fsf@yahoo.com> <57238276-5966-98d6-d5f0-f5451013ed17@gmail.com> <83354375x3.fsf@gnu.org> <55b2eefe-7788-0937-dba4-6f5ffa212435@gmail.com> <87a5yab7dp.fsf@yahoo.com> From: Eli Schwartz X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett In-Reply-To: <87a5yab7dp.fsf@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,KAM_NUMSUBJECT,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 5/11/23 10:39 PM, Po Lu wrote: >> If so, then as far as I can tell, that was the original plan? The flag >> already exists, even. And the original proposal was to provide another >> flag that doesn't even restrict you to c89. > > And what will guarantee this ``always'' always remains true? Nothing. The future has not happened yet, so it cannot be guaranteed. As I said in a previous reply, the earth may be struck by a meteor and annihilate all life on earth. I cannot guarantee for you that such an event will never happen. All I can say is that I think it is pretty unlikely and not worth worrying about. And similarly, I can say about your concern, that I think it is pretty unlikely. If you will not be satisfied by anything less than a "guarantee" then I don't know what to say. Maybe hire a lawyer and draw up a contract that you convince the GCC developers to sign, saying that they are not legally allowed to remove the flag? Would this make you happy? -- Eli Schwartz