From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::e]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 129AF385700A for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:37:37 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 129AF385700A Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=hesbynett.no Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gcc-refused-email@gnu.org Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43206) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lVCro-0005wL-JE for gcc@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:37:36 -0400 Received: from spam01.hesby.net ([81.29.32.152]:63989 helo=spam02.hesby.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVCrm-0006aV-KL for gcc@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:37:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.4.227] (247.92-221-34.customer.lyse.net [92.221.34.247]) by spam02.hesby.net (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 842db6d9-99f9-11eb-9b5d-506b8dfa0e58; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:37:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF To: John Darrington Cc: Christopher Dimech , David Malcolm , gcc@gnu.org References: <20210407162454.GA22759@jocasta.intra> <20210408064528.GA10349@jocasta.intra> <94ca414af699bab851008f86f006db4bd8bf1929.camel@redhat.com> <20210408182128.GA19715@jocasta.intra> <5f532c131146b9c7549f03eac7a9da3a29db1a2e.camel@redhat.com> <20210409063749.GA8596@jocasta.intra> <04fa3173-9809-b905-8fa3-f6554b8ae7d7@hesbynett.no> <06eb8287-e6bb-270f-e5a5-730c10bb31ef@hesbynett.no> <20210409183631.GA29274@jocasta.intra> From: David Brown Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:37:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210409183631.GA29274@jocasta.intra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.29.32.152; envelope-from=david.brown@hesbynett.no; helo=spam02.hesby.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3030.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, NICE_REPLY_A, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:37:38 -0000 On 09/04/2021 20:36, John Darrington wrote: > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 07:01:07PM +0200, David Brown wrote: > > Different opinions are fine. Bringing national or international > politics into the discussion (presumably meant to be as an insult) is > not fine. This is not a political discussion - please stop trying to > make it one. > > For the record it was David who first brought up the political allegory so > this comment should be directed in his direction. Fair enough. > > As for your second point, I find it disappointing but not suprising that > you "presumed" this comment to be an insult. This is precisely the > thing which has caused so much poisonous discourse in recent years. Some > people take any opinion they disagree with and look for ways to interpret > it as an insult. This gives them a lever to claim that anyone who holds > that opinion is a chauvanist, a bigot or worse. This must stop. > I did not take the comment as an insult - I merely presumed that when Christopher says someone is acting like the Russian or Chinese government, he does not mean it in a good way. (His later posts make that entirely clear.) I simply don't want to see this turn into a political discussion. I agree with you entirely that it is not helpful to perceive insults, prejudice or bigotry - in general, it is important to keep the discussion polite and try to remain focused. That is what I wanted to do by asking Christopher to avoid politics.