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From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.de>
To: Steven Bosscher <s.bosscher@student.tudelft.nl>
Cc: kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu (Richard Kenner),
	dje@watson.ibm.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Contributing tree-ssa to mainline
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:26:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m31xpywr14.fsf@gromit.moeb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200401171503.12350.s.bosscher@student.tudelft.nl> (Steven Bosscher's message of "Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:03:12 +0100")

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Steven Bosscher <s.bosscher@student.tudelft.nl> writes:

> On Saturday 17 January 2004 14:37, Richard Kenner wrote:
>>     If we want to develop a GCC 3.5 release without Tree-SSA, then we
>>     should have specific, non-SSA feature goals that we want to
>>     accomplish.  Otherwise, what is the benefit of GCC 3.5 over additional
>>     point releases of GCC 3.4 stable branch?
>>
>> I don't understand your point.  Since GCC is a volunteer project, there is
>> no practical way of forming such "goals" or schedules.  We presume, unless
>> there's evidence to the contrary that people are going to be working on
>> improvements to GCC into the future.
>
> That is what everyone is saying every time somebody suggests we should
> have goals for the next release.
>
> Result: everyone just starts hacking without any form of plan, and we
> end up with lots of half-finished efforts.
>
> It is OK to say: "For this release our goals are...".  Get a good number
> of people (volunteers) to agree on that, and you can make those goals.
> Do nothing, and nothing happens.

I agree.  Let's write down which goals we want to have - and strive to
get them done.  If we figure out after some time that some goals are
not realistic in our timeframe, then move them to the next release
(so, we always have two lists: one for current release and one for the
release afterwards).  But having some goals that are understood, helps
to concentrate effort and gives developers some ideas what they should
do.

For example some goals might be:

For 3.5:
- variable tracking
- Tree-SSA with:
  * at least same performance as 3.4
  * published interfaces between frontends and middle-end
- Fortran95 front-end
- ...

After 3.6:
- vectorization
- ...

Andreas
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-17 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-17 13:35 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 14:05 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17 15:26   ` Andreas Jaeger [this message]
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2004-01-20 12:36 Richard Kenner
2004-01-20 15:06 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-20 15:14 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20 16:14 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-20 11:46 Richard Kenner
2004-01-20 11:57 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-20  4:35 Robert Dewar
2004-01-20  4:23 Richard Kenner
2004-01-20  4:28 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-20 11:15 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 23:40 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 23:15 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 23:31 ` tm_gccmail
2004-01-19 19:13 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 18:06 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 16:12 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 15:05 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 15:56 ` law
2004-01-19 22:41 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-19 14:17 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 14:46 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 17:58 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2004-01-19 14:02 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:29 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:24 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:31 ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 12:36 ` Paul Brook
2004-01-19 12:39   ` Paul Brook
2004-01-19 12:38 ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 12:49 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 17:42   ` Geert Bosch
2004-01-19 17:51     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 17:56       ` John R. Shannon
2004-01-19 18:02         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 18:09       ` Geert Bosch
2004-01-19 18:27       ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 12:51 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 15:51   ` law
2004-01-19 17:30     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 17:48       ` law
2004-01-19 17:57         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 13:26 ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2004-01-19 14:23 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-19 18:00 ` Tom Tromey
2004-01-19 18:11   ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-19 18:39   ` Jeff Sturm
2004-01-19 11:44 Richard Kenner
2004-01-19 12:00 ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-19 12:13   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-19 12:12 ` Richard Henderson
2004-01-18 13:09 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 17:17 Dara Hazeghi
2004-01-19 17:23 ` law
2004-01-17 13:33 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 13:29 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 17:58 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 13:20 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:26 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17 14:49 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17  3:21 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:26 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  5:52   ` Per Bothner
2004-01-17  6:09     ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-18  2:46       ` Scott A Crosby
2004-01-17  8:00     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 13:47   ` Florian Weimer
2004-01-17 14:48     ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 14:53       ` Florian Weimer
2004-01-17 15:14         ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 17:07       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 17:14         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 17:40           ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 18:34         ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-17 14:57     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-19 23:30 ` Joe Buck
2004-01-19 23:43   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-20  0:20     ` Dale Johannesen
2004-01-20  3:12     ` Geert Bosch
2004-01-20  3:27       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  3:15 Robert Dewar
2004-01-17  2:56 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:14 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  3:20   ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  2:52 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:12 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  2:39 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:04 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 16:55   ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-19 14:48 ` Lars Segerlund
2004-01-19 23:37   ` Joe Buck
2004-01-17  2:28 Richard Kenner
2004-01-17  3:09 ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  5:04   ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17  5:31     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  6:04       ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17  6:19       ` David Edelsohn
2004-01-17 14:54       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 14:01     ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 14:20       ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17 14:29         ` Roger Sayle
2004-01-17 14:44           ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 15:07             ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 14:37         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-17 21:32   ` Richard Henderson
2004-01-17 21:45     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  5:06 ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  6:13 ` law
2004-01-17 12:07   ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 12:15     ` John R. Shannon
2004-01-19 23:46   ` Joe Buck
2004-01-17  0:19 Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  0:31 ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17  0:35 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-17  0:44 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-17  0:53   ` law
2004-01-17  0:54   ` law
2004-01-17  1:37     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-17  1:46       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  0:55   ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-17  2:48     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 22:08       ` Eric Christopher
2004-01-17  1:02   ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17  1:51     ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17  2:01       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-17  2:17         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17  3:01           ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17  2:19         ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  3:02           ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17  3:55             ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-17  3:36       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 13:06         ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-01-17 13:53         ` Jan Hubicka
2004-01-18  7:01           ` law
2004-01-17 17:04         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17 17:16           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 17:30             ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17 17:50               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 17:37             ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 17:46               ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 17:51                 ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 18:11                   ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 19:12                     ` Arnaud Charlet
2004-01-29  0:36                       ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 17:58               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 18:09                 ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 18:06           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-18  7:15           ` law
2004-01-18 15:50             ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 17:12         ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-17 17:26           ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  5:31     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17  6:15       ` law
2004-01-17  6:22         ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-17  6:38         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 14:45         ` Daniel Berlin
2004-01-17 21:23           ` law
2004-01-17 21:33             ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-18  2:34               ` Zack Weinberg
2004-01-17 11:16       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 17:50         ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 18:06           ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-01-17 20:14           ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17 23:38         ` Toon Moene
2004-01-18  1:06           ` Phil Edwards
2004-01-17  2:15   ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-17  3:01     ` Robert Dewar
2004-01-17 11:08 ` Andrew Walrond
2004-01-17 23:33   ` Toon Moene
2004-01-17 14:30 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 14:57   ` Paul Brook
2004-01-17 15:28     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-17 21:24     ` law
2004-01-17 21:47       ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-17 19:01 ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-17 19:23   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-01-18  0:14     ` Toon Moene
2004-01-20  1:39   ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2004-01-20  2:00     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20  2:08       ` Mark Mitchell
2004-01-20  2:31         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-01-20 15:19       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-01-20 15:27         ` Andrew Haley
2004-01-20  2:09     ` Diego Novillo
2004-01-22  8:49     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2004-01-17 19:22 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-17 19:34   ` Richard Guenther
2004-01-17 20:21     ` Steven Bosscher
2004-01-18  1:24     ` David Edelsohn

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