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From: Aldy Hernandez <aldyh@redhat.com>
To: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Stan Shebs <shebs@apple.com>, Per Bothner <per@bothner.com>,
	Ziemowit Laski <zlaski@apple.com>, Ira Ruben <ira@apple.com>,
	"gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:03:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3667vudw6.fsf@litecycle.cc.andrews.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74650000.1006922092@gandalf.codesourcery.com>

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com> writes:

 > Let's try a different tack.  What are we going to do about:

 >  (vector int)(1, 2, 3, 4)

...not going to be supported on fsf sources.  Too ugly.  Nobody can
intellectually reconcile the above nastiness.

I need to implement the above anyhow, but i suppose it will be
provided on additional set of, i suppose, apple+redhat supported
patches, never to be incorporated into gcc.

 > Are we going to try to accept this syntax, or require the C99-like:

 >  (vector int){1, 2, 3, 4}

yes

 > If the latter, then we have a source-incompatible change.  Once we
 > do that, all Altivec users have to change their code, and changing
 > "vector int" into "__attribute__((vector(4)) int" is not a whole
 > lot worse.

See the last response by rth.  He came up with a way in which we can
just specify the total vector size in an attribute and determine the
vector mode from the type being modified (int, in this case).  So, we
should be able to cater to both parties-- a more generic approach, and
a few macros to implement altivec syntax, modulo the () initializers.

 > It seems that most people would prefer the latter, but that the folks
 > at Apple would prefer the former.  Apple would like to stop having
 > to merge the Altivec patches, and they do not seem to believe that
 > users will be willing to change their code.  Is that right?

Yes, but after all this discussion, everything seems to have fallen into
place with the exception of "(1, 2, 3, 4)".  So these will have to be
provided for in external patches.

Aldy

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID
From: Aldy Hernandez <aldyh@redhat.com>
To: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Stan Shebs <shebs@apple.com>, Per Bothner <per@bothner.com>,
	Ziemowit Laski <zlaski@apple.com>, Ira Ruben <ira@apple.com>,
	"gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:11:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3667vudw6.fsf@litecycle.cc.andrews.edu> (raw)
Message-ID: <20011128071100.sqPV4weZl7HoTPmmwyx0AYDBLMulNBPs-B_M1WqVP3A@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74650000.1006922092@gandalf.codesourcery.com>

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com> writes:

 > Let's try a different tack.  What are we going to do about:

 >  (vector int)(1, 2, 3, 4)

...not going to be supported on fsf sources.  Too ugly.  Nobody can
intellectually reconcile the above nastiness.

I need to implement the above anyhow, but i suppose it will be
provided on additional set of, i suppose, apple+redhat supported
patches, never to be incorporated into gcc.

 > Are we going to try to accept this syntax, or require the C99-like:

 >  (vector int){1, 2, 3, 4}

yes

 > If the latter, then we have a source-incompatible change.  Once we
 > do that, all Altivec users have to change their code, and changing
 > "vector int" into "__attribute__((vector(4)) int" is not a whole
 > lot worse.

See the last response by rth.  He came up with a way in which we can
just specify the total vector size in an attribute and determine the
vector mode from the type being modified (int, in this case).  So, we
should be able to cater to both parties-- a more generic approach, and
a few macros to implement altivec syntax, modulo the () initializers.

 > It seems that most people would prefer the latter, but that the folks
 > at Apple would prefer the former.  Apple would like to stop having
 > to merge the Altivec patches, and they do not seem to believe that
 > users will be willing to change their code.  Is that right?

Yes, but after all this discussion, everything seems to have fallen into
place with the exception of "(1, 2, 3, 4)".  So these will have to be
provided for in external patches.

Aldy

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-28 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 237+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-16  9:10 front end changes for altivec Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-16  9:25 ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-26  2:55   ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-18  3:56 ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-18  4:24   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  5:09     ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-18  6:10       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  7:35         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-26 19:50           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-26 18:19         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 12:41       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 13:38         ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-18 15:32           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 16:49             ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-18 17:06               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  8:29                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  8:00               ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-27  7:55             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  7:50           ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-19  8:02         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19  8:35           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  9:19             ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 11:51               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 13:41                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 16:13                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 17:51                     ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 19:15                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 20:50                         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:14                           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:10                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-21 13:08                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:12                         ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:29                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:31                             ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:41                               ` Jack Lloyd
2001-11-28 23:44                                 ` Jack Lloyd
2001-11-28 23:00                               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-28 22:34                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:33                           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-21 13:49                             ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-29  4:45                               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-28 23:16                             ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-28 22:21                           ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:24                         ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 22:25                           ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 21:07                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-27 17:03                       ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 16:57                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:16                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 14:50                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 15:25               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 17:46                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 21:39                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20  1:05                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20  2:23                       ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:45                         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:40                       ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20  2:46                     ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-20  2:56                       ` front end changes for altivec-- conclusion Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:00                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:50                       ` front end changes for altivec Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:24                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:02                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 16:50                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 14:01               ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 13:52             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:40           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27  7:24         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-26 17:04       ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-26 16:39     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  6:40   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-18  6:33     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-26 18:46       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  8:19     ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-18  9:13       ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-18 12:26         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  4:45           ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:04             ` Geoff Keating
2001-11-19  7:28               ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19 12:04                 ` Phil Edwards
2001-11-27 14:58                   ` Phil Edwards
2001-11-27 12:47                 ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-27 12:10               ` Geoff Keating
2001-11-19  7:50             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:12               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 10:53             ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:26           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  7:53             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  7:56               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 13:21                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 13:13               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 12:41             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27  6:46           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 18:51         ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27  9:20           ` Per Bothner
2001-11-18 23:55         ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  4:18           ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  4:48             ` Per Bothner
2001-11-19  5:28               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-27 11:35                 ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-19  6:26               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  0:33                 ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20  3:16                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  6:33                     ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 18:27                       ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20 11:05                     ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 18:35                       ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 18:06                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  3:19                   ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-20  5:25                     ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-27 18:24                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-20 11:27                     ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 19:59                       ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20 11:37                     ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 17:03                       ` Aldy Hernandez [this message]
2001-11-20 18:25                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-28  9:45                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-28  7:11                         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 19:20                       ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-20 20:24                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 23:47                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Joe Buck
2001-11-28 12:43                             ` Joe Buck
2001-11-28 11:31                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 20:27                         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20 20:38                           ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-21  4:47                             ` Syd Polk
2001-11-21 12:31                               ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-11-28 16:15                                 ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-11-28 14:12                               ` Syd Polk
2001-11-28 11:55                             ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-28 11:44                           ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-28 11:19                         ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 20:40                       ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-27 18:09                     ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 17:35                   ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 12:34                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 11:16               ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 10:47             ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:19           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  7:13             ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  7:34               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  8:01                 ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  9:18                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 11:23                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 14:46                       ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 13:56                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:27                   ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-27 12:57                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  7:56               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  8:31                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 13:44                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 10:23                 ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-19 11:55                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Joe Buck
2001-11-19 14:03                     ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-19 14:46                       ` Joe Buck
2001-11-27 16:13                         ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20  0:56                       ` Devang Patel
2001-11-27 17:37                         ` Devang Patel
2001-11-20  5:17                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 11:15                         ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 17:09                           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 17:26                             ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 17:57                               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 19:16                                 ` Neil Booth
2001-11-20 21:10                                   ` Input Stream Rewriting (Was: Target-specific Front-Ends?) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21  0:24                                     ` Neil Booth
2001-11-21  1:05                                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21  4:38                                         ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 13:57                                           ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 13:25                                         ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 12:45                                       ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 12:01                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 11:06                                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Neil Booth
2001-11-28  9:16                                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-28  9:11                               ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 20:53                             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 22:08                               ` Joe Buck
2001-11-28 12:26                                 ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 23:37                               ` Per Bothner
2001-11-21  3:14                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21 12:32                                   ` David Edelsohn
2001-11-21 12:44                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 18:40                                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 18:29                                     ` David Edelsohn
2001-11-28 13:36                                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 12:36                                 ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 11:55                               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28  7:33                             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 19:40                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 19:17                         ` Devang Patel
2001-11-28 11:09                           ` Devang Patel
2001-11-27 18:21                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:32                       ` Mark Mitchell
2001-12-04  0:14                       ` Alex Rosenberg
2001-12-04  0:33                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-12-04 11:25                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 14:53                     ` Joe Buck
2001-11-27 14:36                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-27 13:19                 ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 12:44               ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  8:34             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 12:54               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 15:41                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 19:08                   ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-19 19:15                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:10                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:06                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 16:56                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:06                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 13:44               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  9:26             ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19  9:53               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19 10:59                 ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19 14:12                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 15:37                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:41                   ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-27 14:30                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:13               ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19  9:40             ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 11:27               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:50                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:20               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 12:24             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27  9:48           ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-26 23:45         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-26 22:22       ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Stan Shebs
2001-11-26 18:47     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-26 15:45   ` front end changes for altivec Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-26  2:51 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  8:02 Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) mike stump
2001-11-26 19:52 ` mike stump
     [not found] <CB35D7B2-E374-11D5-AE62-0030658361CA@apple.com.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found] ` <m3r8qjvqd1.fsf@litecycle.cc.andrews.edu.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]   ` <p73bshnss5x.fsf@amdsim2.suse.de>
2001-11-19 17:20     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 16:58       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20  4:44 mike stump
2001-11-20 10:10 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:28   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:12 ` mike stump

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