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From: Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
To: Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>
Cc: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>,
	"D. Hugh Redelmeier" <hugh@mimosa.com>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org, Nathan Sidwell <nathan@codesourcery.com>,
	Dale Johannesen <dalej@apple.com>, Mike Stump <mrs@apple.com>
Subject: Re: volatile semantics
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:25:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m38y05c00f.fsf@gossamer.airs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1121536373.29893.10.camel@linux.site>

Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org> writes:

> > In other words, we're asked to agree that the type of an object
> > changes depending on how it is accessed.
> > For the benefit of readers, only the first sentence of this para is
> > the language of the standard; the rest isn't.  
> > 
> > That an object referred to through a volatile pointer must
> > "temporarily" be treated as though it were declared volatile is the
> > crux of this argument. 
> 
> Again, you could say the same about const, restrict, or any other
> qualifier then, making them more or less useless as qualifiers.

I think there may be a difference.

const is inherently a characteristic of the object.  It applies at
definition time.  Casting away const in a reference does not change
the definition.  Whether making an assignment through a pointer after
casting away const is legal depends upon how the definition of the
object pointed to is handled (C99 6.7.3: "If an attempt is made to
modify an object defined with a const-qualified type through use of an
lvalue with non-const-qualified type, the behavior is undefined").

restrict is less interesting, since it simply provides a guarantee
about a pointer.  Casting away restrict does nothing useful--it just
abandons the guarantee.  Casting to restrict is by definition only
valid if the guarantee holds--if the object is indeed restricted (C99
6.7.3.1: ".... If these requirements are not met, then the behavior is
undefined").

volatile, on the other hand, is inherently a characteristic of the
access, not of the object.  Defining a volatile object does nothing in
itself; it merely affects all accesses to the object.  Thus casting to
volatile should mean that all uses of the resulting pointer should be
done in a volatile fashion--i.e., all reads and writes done precisely
as specified by the standard's "abstract machine."  Casting away from
volatile means the reverse--there are no restrictions on the use of
the object to which the pointer points.

I am not aware of any other type qualifiers in C or C++.

Ian

  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-17  8:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-03  8:41 Mike Stump
2005-05-03  8:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-05-03  9:53 ` Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-03 14:31 ` Dave Korn
2005-05-03 14:41 ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 17:04   ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 18:03     ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 18:32       ` Paul Koning
2005-05-03 18:37         ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-11 23:01         ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-05-12 14:46           ` Paul Koning
2005-05-03 18:35       ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 18:54         ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 19:25           ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-04  8:18             ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-04 10:23               ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-04 11:30                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-04 17:59                   ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-04 18:01                     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-04 19:49                     ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 16:51     ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 16:56       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 17:26         ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 17:32           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 18:35             ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 20:35               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:29                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:41                   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:59                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:07             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 19:20         ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 21:10           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 20:52         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:07           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:24             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:30               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:19                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:36               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:06                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 22:17                   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:25                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-19  7:27                       ` Kai Henningsen
2005-07-19  9:25                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 22:34               ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 22:57                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  1:37                   ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17  2:24                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  2:36                       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  3:08                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  4:32                           ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  5:19                           ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  5:31                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  7:33                               ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17 14:33                             ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17 15:30                               ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  7:53                           ` Andrew Pinski
2005-07-17 11:41                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  7:40                       ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17 11:50                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 19:30                           ` Mike Stump
2005-07-18 20:05                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17 15:45                         ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 16:04                           ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-17 16:18                             ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 16:54                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17 16:06                           ` Falk Hueffner
2005-07-17 16:18                           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-17 16:44                             ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 12:49                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-07-17  2:27                     ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  3:14                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  3:27                         ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17 20:34                           ` Mark Mitchell
2005-07-17  4:38                         ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17  5:27                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 13:13                           ` Gerald Pfeifer
2005-07-17  7:54                       ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17 10:11               ` Andrew Haley
2005-07-17 12:03                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 17:33       ` Andrew Haley
2005-07-16 17:53         ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  8:25           ` Ian Lance Taylor [this message]
2005-07-22 23:20             ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-07-22 23:33               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-23  1:28                 ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23  2:59                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-23  9:50                     ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23  6:03                   ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-23 16:03                   ` Mike Stump
2005-07-16 19:05         ` Dale Johannesen
2005-07-16 21:17           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-22 23:20       ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-07-25 23:08         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-05-06  0:45   ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-06  1:42     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-06  2:04     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-06  2:57     ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 21:19 ` Thorsten Glaser
2005-05-06  5:06 Paul Schlie
2005-07-17 17:58 Paul Schlie
2005-07-18  1:29 Paul Schlie
2005-07-18  6:36 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 11:20   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 12:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-07-18 12:17     ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 12:27       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 13:27         ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 15:47           ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-18 12:24     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 12:11 ` Jonathan Wakely
2005-07-18 12:31   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-19 17:56 Paul Schlie
2005-07-19 18:13 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-19 18:32   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-23  2:15 Paul Schlie
2005-07-23  9:50 ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23 11:39   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-23 11:44   ` Paul Schlie

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