From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23390 invoked by alias); 14 Jan 2004 00:26:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 23377 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 00:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uniton.integrable-solutions.net) (62.212.99.186) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 00:26:24 -0000 Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id i0E0KF9b011373; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:20:16 +0100 Received: (from gdr@localhost) by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id i0E0KFS0011372; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:20:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: uniton.integrable-solutions.net: gdr set sender to gdr@integrable-solutions.net using -f To: Geoff Keating Cc: Paul Koning , gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal References: <200401132241.i0DMfbT28126@makai.watson.ibm.com> <202ADE61-461E-11D8-8072-000A95DA505C@dberlin.org> <16388.32288.690096.480227@gargle.gargle.HOWL> From: Gabriel Dos Reis In-Reply-To: Organization: Integrable Solutions Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SW-Source: 2004-01/txt/msg00836.txt.bz2 Geoff Keating writes: | Paul Koning writes: | | > >> * Correct code generation * Fewer ICEs * Standards conformance * | > >> Compilation speed * Performance * Features * Release frequency * | > >> Release timeliness | > >> | > >> We need to figure out how to balance those goals better without | > >> losing ground in areas where we recently have been improving. | > | > I can see why some of this ordering would be subject to disagreement, | > but I would hope that there also are partial orderings that are NOT | > debatable. | > | > The general rule of software engineering is that correctness comes | > first, performance and schedule after that. | | I don't believe that statement is correct as an absolute. | | For instance, a product that never ships is *not* better than a | product that ships with bugs. It is significantly worse. Sure, but what is the relevance here? I'm not convinced that your taking things to extreme will help your cause; it will just have the effect of provoking negative reations. -- Gaby