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From: Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@integrable-solutions.net>
To: Martin Reinecke <martin@mpa-garching.mpg.de>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: std::pow implementation
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:38:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3brvbkpro.fsf@uniton.integrable-solutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F28DD37.6010408@mpa-garching.mpg.de>

Martin Reinecke <martin@mpa-garching.mpg.de> writes:

| Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| 
| > It is tempting to make the analogy with "register", but you have to
| > acknowledge the fact that inlining strategy is not at the same level
| > of sophistication as register allocation.  Therefore, any answer you
| > get for the question above is irrelevant to whether you should decide
| > whether your programmed inliner always knows better than the
| > programmer.   Until then, please listen to the programmer.  Don't
| > transmute "inline".
| 
| Yes, you should listen to the programmer. But unless the programmer
| has a chance to express his intent _exactly_, there is no way to find
| out what he really meant. And he cannot do so in the discussed situation.

How to be sure there would not be another quibble about whether he
really wanted to express exactly his intent?  something like

   [P] inline
   [C] do you inline mean inline?
   [P] Yes
   [C] Are you sure you really mean inline?
   [P] Yes
   [C] Did you mean the last answer?
   [P] ...

That way lies infinite recursion with no way of getting started,
i.e. no productive work.  We don't need complication to get decent
results.  KCC didn't need a hierarchy of intent of inline before
producing much better code.  When we will reach the level where the
compiler trusts the programmer, we could start worrying about what is
next.  Like they say here, Paris is built in one day.  
First, start trusting the programmer; when you're good at that job, you
would be able to handle subtile  distinctions.

-- Gaby

  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-31  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-31 10:19 Martin Reinecke
2003-07-31 10:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis [this message]
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2003-08-04 22:57 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:42 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:46 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:22 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:29 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:21 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:08 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 18:17 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 17:48 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:57 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 18:14   ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 17:43 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:53 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 17:33 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:36 ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 17:38 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 22:28 ` Mark Hahn
2003-08-04 22:49   ` tm_gccmail
2003-08-04 17:03 Robert Dewar
2003-08-04 17:23 ` Joe Buck
2003-08-04 18:05   ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-08-04 18:15     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 19:00     ` Bernd Schmidt
2003-08-04 19:12       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-31 12:05 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 13:00 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 11:50 Robert Dewar
2003-07-31 10:54 Richard Guenther
2003-07-31 11:08 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 11:31 ` Rob Taylor
2003-07-31 14:13   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-31 14:44     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31 17:24     ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-31 18:45       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 22:49 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 22:28 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 21:49 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 16:36 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 16:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:55 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 19:21 ` Felix Lee
2003-07-30 16:08 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 16:06 Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:37 ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 14:25 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:49 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:21 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:44 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:51   ` Paolo Carlini
2003-07-30 16:59     ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:35       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:18 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:31 ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:36 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:11 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:29 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:05 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:14 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:04 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:10 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:56 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:04 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:08 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  2:10   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-31  2:46     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  6:49       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-31  7:58         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-31  8:14         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:52 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 14:02 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:25 Robert Dewar
2003-07-30 13:13 Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:30 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:40   ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:46     ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-30 13:47       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 14:32         ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 13:53     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:14       ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 14:33         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:27           ` Martin Reinecke
2003-07-30 15:42             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:38               ` Martin Reinecke
2003-08-04 12:55           ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2003-08-04 13:11             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 14:32               ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2003-08-04 14:50                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-08-04 14:58                   ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 15:56 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 16:16   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 16:47     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 12:55 Stephan T. Lavavej
2003-07-30 12:59 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 11:57 Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:10 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:10   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:14     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:25       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:38         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:44           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:49             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  5:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30  5:26                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  6:57                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:11                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 11:58                       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 12:11                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:13                           ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 12:23                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:31                               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 12:47                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:06                                   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 13:22                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 12:42                               ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 12:46                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:01                                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:26                                     ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 13:38                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 13:49                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:19                           ` Karel Gardas
2003-07-30 13:24                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:41                             ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 13:51                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 13:51                                 ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 13:59                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:08                                     ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:19                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:24                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 14:48                                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:55                                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:29                                             ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-31  0:30                                       ` Richard B. Kreckel
2003-07-30 14:11                                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 14:26                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:25                                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 13:59                                 ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 14:01                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:45                         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 16:50                           ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 16:57                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:42                               ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-07-30 18:06                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 17:02                             ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 19:31                             ` tm_gccmail
2003-07-30 17:32                         ` Joe Buck
2003-07-29 12:53           ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 12:53             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 12:58               ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 12:59                 ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 13:05                   ` Paolo Carlini
2003-07-29 13:22                     ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:36                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:14                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 14:22                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:00                 ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-29 13:28                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 13:59                     ` Andrew Pinski
2003-07-29 14:17                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 13:14                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 13:14               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:08                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:24                   ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 14:24                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:31                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 14:40                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-29 15:11                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:37                           ` Michael Matz
2003-07-29 15:59                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:59                               ` Michael Matz
2003-07-29 16:05                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 16:20                                   ` Rob Taylor
2003-07-29 14:36                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:24                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 16:30                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 18:35                           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 14:51                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 15:33                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30  5:24                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30  5:33                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30  6:38                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:32                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 10:33                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:46                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 11:57                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 12:20                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:50                                     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 15:53                                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 15:53                                         ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:01                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:09                                           ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 16:39                                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 16:17                                           ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 16:24                                             ` Steven Bosscher
2003-08-04 16:55                                     ` Bernd Schmidt
2003-08-04 17:08                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-07-30 10:37                               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-07-30 11:31                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-30 15:44                               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-07-30 17:10                                 ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:32                                   ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 18:22                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 19:08                                       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-30 19:12                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2003-07-30 17:06                           ` Joe Buck
2003-07-30 17:26                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 19:58   ` Neil Booth
2003-07-29 20:14     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-07-29 20:33       ` Richard Guenther
2003-07-29 20:49         ` Gabriel Dos Reis

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