From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3409 invoked by alias); 19 Jan 2004 18:03:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 3356 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 18:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uniton.integrable-solutions.net) (62.212.99.186) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 18:02:58 -0000 Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id i0JHuR9b009734; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:56:28 +0100 Received: (from gdr@localhost) by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id i0JHuRDj009733; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:56:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: uniton.integrable-solutions.net: gdr set sender to gdr@integrable-solutions.net using -f To: Robert Dewar Cc: espie@nerim.net, gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: gcc 3.5 integration branch proposal References: <1073935323.3458.42.camel@minax.codesourcery.com> <1073951351.3458.162.camel@minax.codesourcery.com> <20040119013113.044D74895@quatramaran.ens.fr> <400BB40B.4070101@dsvr.net> <400BE1D3.7010105@gnat.com> <400C00DF.5050006@coyotegulch.com> <20040119162425.GA13253@tetto.gentiane.org> <400C19EE.6010600@gnat.com> From: Gabriel Dos Reis In-Reply-To: <400C19EE.6010600@gnat.com> Organization: Integrable Solutions Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:03:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SW-Source: 2004-01/txt/msg01324.txt.bz2 Robert Dewar writes: | That being said, it seems to me to undervalue time to be using a two | year old machine and tolerating builds that slow when a modern notebook | with a 3GHz processor and 800MHz front bus can be obtained for under | $2000. A key point is that not everyone can afford changing hardware every one/two years for that price (assuming it is possible), and even if it were financially possible, it may not be technically or pratically desirable. We have been through that discussion before. | And one general comment here is that using such a notebook, I | still find MANY things to be slow, and gcc is not the worst offender | by any means (Mozilla's junk mail detection, while excellent, for | example, consumes vast amounts of cycles and how Power Point manages | to take as long as it does to come up is a mystery to me). I guess the | software world has become really *expert* at making things take | thousands of times longer than they should :-( Software expertise has changed axes ;-) -- Gaby