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From: Alexandre Oliva <oliva@gnu.org>
To: Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>
Cc: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	       Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	       "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
	Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>,
	       Maxim Kuvyrkov <maxim.kuvyrkov@linaro.org>,
	       "Richard Earnshaw \(lists\)" <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>,
	       gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:12:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <or36d83jv0.fsf@livre.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a16acfd7be55efb17ebd767d03eec6bea4159ffe.camel@redhat.com> (Jeff	Law's message of "Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:39:54 -0700")

On Dec 16, 2019, Jeff Law <law@redhat.com> wrote:

> Yet Joseph just indicated today Maxim's conversion is missing some
> branches.  While I don't consider any of the missed branches important,
> others might.   More importantly, it raises the issue of what other
> branches might be missing and what validation work has been done on
> that conversion.

It also raises another issue, namely the ability to *incrementally* fix
such problems should we find them after the switch-over.

I've got enough experience with git-svn to tell that, if it missed a
branch for whatever reason, it is reasonably easy to create a
configuration that will enable it to properly identify the point of
creation of the branch, and bring in subsequent changes to the branch,
in such a way that the newly-converted branch can be easily pushed onto
live git so that it becomes indistinguishable from other branches that
had been converted before.

I know very little about reposurgeon, but I'm concerned that, should we
make the conversion with it, and later identify e.g. missed branches, we
might be unable to make such an incremental recovery.  Can anyone
alleviate my concerns and let me know we could indeed make such an
incremental recovery of a branch missed in the initial conversion, in
such a way that its commit history would be shared with that of the
already-converted branch it branched from?


Anyway, hopefully we won't have to go through that.  Having not just one
but *two* fully independent conversions of the SVN repo to GIT, using
different tools, makes it a lot less likely that whatever result we
choose contains a significant error, as both can presumably help catch
conversion errors in each other, and the odds that both independent
implementations make the same error are pretty thin, I'd think.

Now, would it be too much of a burden to insist that the commit graphs
out of both conversions be isomorphic, and maybe mappings between the
commit ids (if they can't be made identical to begin with, that is) be
generated and shared, so that the results of both conversions can be
efficiently and mechanically compared (disregarding expected
differences) not only in terms of branch and tag names and commit
graphs, but also tree contents, commit messages and any other metadata?
Has anything like this been done yet?

-- 
Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter   he/him   https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo
Free Software Evangelist           Stallman was right, but he's left :(
GNU Toolchain Engineer    FSMatrix: It was he who freed the first of us
FSF & FSFLA board member                The Savior shall return (true);

  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-25  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-17 12:02 Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 12:24 ` Richard Biener
2019-09-17 13:50   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:35   ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-17 17:51     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-17 16:33 ` Joseph Myers
2019-09-19 12:04 ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-09-19 14:43   ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:30     ` Janne Blomqvist
2019-10-25 14:10     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-10-25 16:32       ` Jeff Law
2019-09-19 15:30   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-19 15:49     ` Damian Rouson
2019-09-19 15:35 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 14:44   ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-06 17:21     ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 17:39       ` Richard Biener
2019-12-06 19:46         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:43           ` Sandra Loosemore
2019-12-07  2:57           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-09 18:19           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 18:40             ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-09 20:45               ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-09 22:12               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-09 19:28             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-11 14:40             ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-11 15:03               ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:19                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 15:21                   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-11 15:36                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 16:02                       ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-12-11 17:47                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16  2:19                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-11 15:30                   ` Dennis Luehring
2019-12-11 15:36                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-11 17:36                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-06 20:49       ` Bernd Schmidt
2019-12-16  9:53     ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 11:29       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 12:43         ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 13:36           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:54             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 14:05               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 14:13                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 15:37                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 16:36                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 17:40                     ` Jeff Law
2019-12-25  8:12                       ` Alexandre Oliva [this message]
2019-12-25 12:07                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:24                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-25 14:16                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-25 18:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 19:18                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26  6:09                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 11:04                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 11:17                               ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 12:10                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 16:11                                 ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-26 16:58                                   ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 18:36                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2019-12-26 18:59                                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 11:21                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-27 11:33                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2019-12-27 13:35                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-27 11:35                                           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:37                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28  2:27                                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-28 11:23                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28 12:19                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-28 17:11                                               ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-28 20:28                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29  1:45                                                   ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 10:41                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 11:02                                                       ` Richard Biener
2019-12-29 11:47                                                         ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:31                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:51                                                             ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 12:15                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 16:32                                                           ` Richard Earnshaw
2019-12-29 16:37                                                             ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 11:42                                                       ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 13:26                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 13:48                                                           ` Julien '_FrnchFrgg_' RIVAUD
2019-12-29 15:01                                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-29 17:31                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor via gcc
2019-12-30  0:31                                                               ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-29 21:31                                                           ` Thomas Koenig
2019-12-29 23:57                                                             ` Jeff Law
2019-12-27 13:29                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-26 20:31                                     ` Richard Biener
2019-12-27  1:32                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 10:14                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-28  1:55                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 18:31                                   ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-29 18:55                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 22:47                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 23:00                                         ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 23:13                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 15:36                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 22:37                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-30 22:58                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31  0:23                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31 12:48                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-31  3:09                                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-29 22:24                                     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30  0:18                                       ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-30  0:44                                         ` Julien "FrnchFrgg" Rivaud
2019-12-30 12:39                                         ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 13:01                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 15:31                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-30 15:49                                           ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2019-12-30 16:08                                             ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-02  2:59                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2020-01-02 10:58                                                 ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-08 20:46                                               ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-08 22:11                                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-08 23:34                                                   ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-09  2:38                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-09 12:12                                                       ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-09 14:01                                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-11 11:30                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10  7:33                                                       ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10  9:49                                                         ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2020-01-10 11:38                                                           ` Richard Biener
2020-01-10 12:09                                                             ` Iain Sandoe
2020-01-10 13:11                                                               ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 12:53                                                             ` Nathan Sidwell
2020-01-10 14:13                                                               ` Martin Liška
2020-01-11 11:57                                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-11 11:52                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10 13:31                                                         ` Bernd Schmidt
2020-01-10 15:27                                                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2020-01-10 15:09                                                         ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-10 15:16                                                           ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:33                                                             ` Maxim Kuvyrkov
2020-01-11  7:04                                                               ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-09  5:07                                                     ` Jeff Law
2020-01-09 12:30                                                       ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-10 15:27                                                         ` Joseph Myers
2020-01-11  7:06                                                         ` Gerald Pfeifer
2020-01-14  8:21                                                         ` Jeff Law
2019-12-26 22:33                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-26 19:16                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 20:08                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-26 20:28                                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-27 12:06                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-12-27 12:21                                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-28  2:33                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-26 21:19                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-25 12:10                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-25 14:13                           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-29 16:47                           ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-29 22:42                             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:27                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 16:47                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 16:04               ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 16:37                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 16:47                   ` Jeff Law
2019-12-31 13:43                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-31 14:13                       ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-12-31 17:26                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:56             ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 14:17               ` Mark Wielaard
2019-12-16 16:29                 ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 13:53           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 16:39             ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:57               ` Richard Biener
2019-12-16 16:55         ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 17:08           ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 19:15             ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 21:59             ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 22:14               ` Jeff Law
2019-12-16 22:42                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 23:26                   ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:44                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 18:07                   ` Jeff Law
2019-12-18 18:24                     ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19  0:57                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 19:50                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-18 20:43                       ` Jeff Law
2019-12-20 16:28                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-19  2:34                       ` Unix philosopy vs. poor semantic locality Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19  3:16                         ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-19  5:46                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-19  0:46                     ` Proposal for the transition timetable for the move to GIT Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:34                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-16 23:18               ` Joseph Myers
2019-12-16 23:19               ` Eric S. Raymond
2019-12-18 17:27                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-16 13:33       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-19 17:04 ` Paul Koning
2019-10-25 14:02   ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
2019-09-20 15:49 ` Jeff Law
2019-09-21  9:11   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21  9:39     ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21  9:51       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-09-21 10:04         ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-21  9:26 ` Segher Boessenkool

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