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From: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>
To: Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com>
Cc: Joe Buck <Joe.Buck@synopsys.COM>, Geert Bosch <bosch@adacore.com>,
	        Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>,
	        Diego Novillo <dnovillo@google.com>,
	        Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>,
	        Ian Lance Taylor <iant@google.com>,
	        Richard Guenther <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org,         gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Designs for better debug info in GCC
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:15:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <or4pefwylo.fsf@oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4767C7E1.8030707@adacore.com> (Robert Dewar's message of "Tue\, 18 Dec 2007 08\:15\:13 -0500")

On Dec 18, 2007, Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote:

> Alexandre Oliva wrote:
>> On Dec 18, 2007, Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote:

>>> OK, so you are agreeing that good debuggability is impossible
>>> with all the optimizations in place, so once again, let's have
>>> an optimziation level that optimizes as far as possible without
>>> harming debuggability.

>> It's just that changing optimizations is precisely *against* the goals
>> of my current project.  So, don't expect significant efforts to this
>> end from me at this time.

> But you can't achieve the above criterion with your approach.

Actually, you can.  My approach is about ensuring the mapping between
the location of source and implementation variables is correct.  This
is orthogonal to how much optimization you make.

If you optimize more, more values or locations may become unavailable,
but this is not about correctness (what fraction of the annotations
point at locations that hold the correct value), and it's not even
about completeness (what fraction of the source variables are
represented at all locations they are available), it's just about
theoretical completeness (what fraction of the source variables are
represented at all locations they would be available without
optimization).

-- 
Alexandre Oliva         http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/
FSF Latin America Board Member         http://www.fsfla.org/
Red Hat Compiler Engineer   aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org}
Free Software Evangelist  oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-18 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <or4pg114h5.fsf@oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
     [not found] ` <84fc9c000711050327x74845c78ya18a3329fcf9e4d2@mail.gmail.com>
2007-11-07  8:03   ` Designs for better debug info in GCC (was: Re: [vta] don't let debug insns get in the way of simple vect reduction) Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-07 16:37     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-07 21:43       ` Designs for better debug info in GCC Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-07 23:05         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-07 23:28           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-11-08  0:01           ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08  0:28             ` David Edelsohn
2007-11-08  5:01               ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08  5:15                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:44                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-23  2:20                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-23  2:30                   ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-23 23:40                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-23 23:56                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 13:52                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08  5:44               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:37                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 20:51                 ` Andrew Pinski
2007-11-09  1:11                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09 11:28                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08  6:39             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 19:13               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 20:07               ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-08 20:14                 ` David Daney
2007-11-08 20:41                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-09  9:10                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 10:55                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-12 18:22                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 20:08                       ` Joe Buck
2007-11-24 22:12                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 22:42                           ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-12 22:43                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-24  1:44                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 10:50                       ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-24  4:05                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 15:46                       ` Michael Matz
2007-11-23 23:56                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 18:19                           ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27  7:31                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-27 18:33                               ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27 20:37                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 10:11             ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-08  5:14           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 18:28             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 19:23             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-09  0:08               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  1:26                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-11-09 12:22                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-12 12:59                     ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-12 18:05                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-12 18:09                         ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-24  4:31                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26  6:10                             ` Mark Mitchell
2007-12-05 14:21                               ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-05 22:10                                 ` Joe Buck
2007-12-15 22:51                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-16  6:27                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-16 12:47                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17  1:27                                       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-17  5:38                                         ` Joe Buck
2007-12-17  8:20                                           ` Geert Bosch
2007-12-18  1:24                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  2:02                                               ` Joe Buck
2007-12-18  4:40                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  7:45                                                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18  7:56                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 13:29                                                       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 22:15                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva [this message]
2007-12-18  6:16                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18  8:09                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 18:33                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 17:59                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 18:02                                           ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-17 20:43                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-17 21:20                                               ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18  1:01                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  1:14                                                   ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18  5:17                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18  8:06                                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2007-12-18  8:39                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 13:15                                                         ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-18 15:06                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 16:22                                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-18 16:28                                                           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 16:31                                                             ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-18 16:42                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-18 17:04                                                                 ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-18 17:12                                                               ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-18 16:32                                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-18 16:44                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-19  4:30                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 18:41                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-19 19:00                                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-19 19:53                                                               ` Janis Johnson
2007-12-19 21:17                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20  6:10                                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 16:52                                                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20 21:38                                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21  1:54                                                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
     [not found]                                                                           ` <orprx0izhp.fsf@oliva.atho! me.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
2007-12-21  2:11                                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21  3:16                                                                             ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-21  5:10                                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-21 18:12                                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-21 19:32                                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-21 22:46                                                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-22  0:07                                                                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-22  0:09                                                                                       ` Andrew Pinski
2007-12-22  3:16                                                                                         ` Andrew Pinski
2007-12-22 11:44                                                                                           ` Chris Lattner
2007-12-22 21:27                                                                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-23 17:40                                                                                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-12-22  7:38                                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-22 13:33                                                                                     ` Andrew Haley
2007-12-22 17:11                                                                                       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-31 19:39                                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20  8:00                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20  8:01                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 17:02                                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-31 16:55                                                           ` Richard Guenther
     [not found]                                                             ` <y0my7baigdf.fsf@ton.toronto.redhat.com>
2008-01-01 17:31                                                               ` Richard Guenther
2007-12-18 23:19                                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19  6:07                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19  6:18                                                             ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 16:01                                                               ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 16:29                                                                 ` Andrew MacLeod
2007-12-19 19:25                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 20:00                                                                 ` Andrew MacLeod
2007-12-19 20:40                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 20:00                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 21:11                                                                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-20  5:16                                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-20 16:44                                                                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-20 20:42                                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 20:03                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-18 23:31                                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19  4:35                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 16:12                                                             ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-19 19:13                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-19 20:11                                                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-31 14:45                                               ` Richard Guenther
2007-12-16 22:20                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2007-11-09 12:31                   ` Seongbae Park (박성배, 朴成培)
2007-11-09 12:42                     ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-07 17:25     ` Designs for better debug info in GCC (was: Re: [vta] don't let debug insns get in the way of simple vect reduction) Michael Matz
2007-11-07 19:03       ` Designs for better debug info in GCC Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 11:22         ` Michael Matz
2007-11-08 15:13           ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08 16:11             ` H.J. Lu
2007-11-08 16:32             ` Michael Matz
2007-11-08 18:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09 14:23                 ` Michael Matz
2007-11-12 18:17                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13 14:22                     ` Michael Matz
2007-11-24  4:58                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 18:10                         ` Michael Matz
2007-11-27  3:48                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-08 17:48             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  2:09               ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-12 17:52                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-09  2:13               ` Joe Buck
2007-11-09 18:40                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-11-09 19:02                   ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-08 16:37           ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-13  7:52 Steven Bosscher
2007-11-23 23:40 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 10:27   ` Steven Bosscher
2007-11-24 15:08     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 15:18       ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-24 20:21         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 20:48           ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-11-24 22:01             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 22:34               ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-25  1:21                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  2:36                   ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 11:37                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-26 12:38                       ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 18:10                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  0:20               ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 21:24           ` Richard Kenner
2007-11-24 21:55             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-25  0:39           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-15 20:32             ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-15 21:41               ` Robert Dewar
2007-11-24 16:07       ` Steven Bosscher
2007-11-24 20:11         ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-11-24 20:46           ` Richard Guenther
2007-11-26 18:36 J.C. Pizarro
2007-11-26 18:55 ` J.C. Pizarro
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