From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7227 invoked by alias); 18 Dec 2007 04:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 7210 invoked by uid 22791); 18 Dec 2007 04:40:48 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mx1.redhat.com (HELO mx1.redhat.com) (66.187.233.31) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:40:42 +0000 Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBI4cZZs030302; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:38:35 -0500 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [10.11.255.20]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBI4cZON032455; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:38:35 -0500 Received: from livre.oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br (vpn-15-63.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.15.63]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBI4cYxW016802; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:38:35 -0500 Received: from livre.oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by livre.oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBI4cX4L028040; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:38:33 -0200 Received: (from aoliva@localhost) by livre.oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lBI4cVNw028039; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:38:31 -0200 To: Diego Novillo Cc: Daniel Berlin , Mark Mitchell , Robert Dewar , Ian Lance Taylor , Richard Guenther , gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: Designs for better debug info in GCC References: <4737BF2C.70408@codesourcery.com> <47388599.2040701@codesourcery.com> <4749DE66.1090602@codesourcery.com> <4756B02D.9010302@google.com> <4aca3dc20712151903r46c9eceane35edb92d08240ac@mail.gmail.com> <4aca3dc20712161712w1133fb96qd66be0e9a0bb1716@mail.gmail.com> <4766B8E5.60500@google.com> <4766DF5C.1020802@google.com> <47671BF4.5050704@google.com> From: Alexandre Oliva Errors-To: aoliva@oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:17:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: <47671BF4.5050704@google.com> (Diego Novillo's message of "Mon\, 17 Dec 2007 20\:01\:40 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org X-SW-Source: 2007-12/txt/msg00507.txt.bz2 On Dec 17, 2007, Diego Novillo wrote: > On 12/17/07 19:50, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Now, since you're so interested in it and you've already read the >> various perspectives on the issue that I listed in my yesterday's >> e-mail to you, would you help me improve this document, by letting me >> know what you believe to be missing from the selected postings on >> design strategies, rationales and goals: > No. I am not interested in organizing your thoughts for you. Wow, nice shot! So tell me, what part of what you've read in the selected bibliography seemed not organized for you? Maybe that's what I have to work on first. > I am interested in reading a single, concise and well organized design > document that you produce for all of us to understand what you want to > do. You got that already, except now I'm no longer sure you've actually read it. Have you? You got the goals. You got the way I intend to get there, in two levels of detail. You got examples that show why the goals can't be achieved in other simpler ways. You got various justifications for the representation I've chosen. Would reformatting these and stamping a title on top make it worthy of your interest? I really don't see what else you might want, and if the above isn't enough, then my rephrasing it all into a single document still wouldn't be enough. I'd be just wasting my time, and yours. So, please do tell me, what is it that you're still missing? Note that I can't promise to deliver, but I can't possibly give you what you want unless you help me figure out what it is. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}