From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3C3E3857C48 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:59:45 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org C3C3E3857C48 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs07.server.lan [172.19.170.175]) (via HTTP); Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:59:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: dmalcolm@redhat.com Cc: Ian Lance Taylor , GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:59:40 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <92c014fc39022ea03c6c801bb76ab39674e8a6fb.camel@redhat.com> References: <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> <535f1dcf-2258-c817-cf72-5c49dc9e5823@hesbynett.no> <20210418131052.GB320802@thyrsus.com> <92c014fc39022ea03c6c801bb76ab39674e8a6fb.camel@redhat.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ebAWRsX339EoQK1FSxavlB4UZEGPFYXpasVdVDlRnckGJa6X0nSe4FQa9cwkApJby0vXl 2gbrb5RKotSGuxvyYn83Ko90dIA82klYmlM/vkLfnRTTza2JMBgWmVtLo51kbunz480LaVAboINC ibour9v+E3+tc1ThvMfKhUBKiM530rZroUYZDx7qHG1YpSGu0pDbXaiIq0lit7O57vEV2vtk/Gfp syr9pWEOnSjix+FsBY7Uu5KlB7m6LU0dmWbDhvaEopOeJb1eNa6Iyz/DGxaqhu7V9qXBbP/G6rLx 4M= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:eMX8aSZyuMk=:elRLCsIf5RXm4ZUPMIuM4S EuoCjuyFSnig+Ug0U2NZhBwcb6m+PanZkGgkPW89JtagR2tj1b7KieuvOnV8KZ0KNpd3lBEHz Jp+N7SG9esSK75ejh1JUz8AGZGe8YApy56yaJSXn6PSMrFlcL0KWy8AMxwuRtp9eg+gJRSwI/ +n3JdXbc204FjCxNR8ab9ZFeGl2wdejF3QbIgRtNGXJQUYH2QLzrsQ9gDEGyCtH8QHoFG1hGf HnQErF37Zhp5zJTz16kSbVL+mzeHtLdBdZxYH0Lz3B9aoailErdyVOgEnjJn4t92i7XUK98KE TWAmcdfsXrYSnqi+/htBCnYN3+lUC7YbJNQ2tvypnjbPuTJPvolhy3icMjvGF2JbU4DdjJscY LzQRIjrPKXipu07UCEfLXGSTwjGjUR5/tzf3bN5dX7F1IcJbUB0ZQqrJCVCnXI8vHTDUCRBUS qXi5xBV5wn+x1Jwd6g0JQimscGxwyKZe9mORcrtp2df23+uI5OjOGSxulvJJLvoDkJhiT2ExF lqhsZY7WUWhwIhRARMvL28u3bmIlulA9uxTsoIpo3m94btJJcsQRWy66QqPYUgS0hCZoVPk30 VlPVZc++WuADihllqvWaIXNVQMdSWJR9yUI+lEuHyGjdiAPiwK5PGvokqNIlgtoaXAzSnQZJh 3t+ip4Uv0jChgO4x3AOAUMQIRzX/8nB5mmoGQAFgttUmt0GOSpBTo/1RWLrCyU1vzHxApLWDb 5jl8LMAVXdYfJ1nQylV7R4lTmYQOndjhd0SytpCRQptgLWT2no1bKkauuIbDB+nmDzowwCUyy 9WERB8W+KFOf5mU8xEkgTugUQSpbj4Zm9OgLpH3uYzgLDcoeKULcf02yfyGrs5BzzBkMUFgIQ V2AHYMjXn58U6TIUN5o12hX2vuhrSm67fA5QKx7rxGbffCnaN73QL1m3fPGwOp Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:59:49 -0000 =2D-------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 at 2:51 AM > From: "David Malcolm via Gcc" > To: "Ian Lance Taylor" > Cc: "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > On Sun, 2021-04-18 at 09:10 -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Sorry for prolonging this thread-of-doom; I'm loathe to reply to Eric > because I worry that it will encourage him. I wrote a long rebuttal to > his last email to me about his great insights into the minds of women > but didn't send it in the hope of reducing the temperature of the > conversation. > > That said... > > > Ian Lance Taylor via Gcc : > > > This conversation has moved well off-topic for the GCC mailing lists= . > > > > > > Some of the posts here do not follow the GNU Kind Communication > > > Guidelines > > > (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html). > > > > > > I suggest that people who want to continue this thread take it off > > > the > > > GCC mailing list. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Ian > > > > Welcome to the consequences of abandoning "You shall judge by the code > > alone." > > > > This is what it will be like, *forever*, until you reassert that norm. > > Or we could ignore the false dilemma that Eric is asserting, and > instead moderate the list, or even just moderate those who have never > contributed to GCC but persist in emailing the list. > > Personally, I've been moving all posts by Christopher Dimech to this > list direct from my inbox to my archive without reading them for the > last several days, and it's helped my mood considerably. He's been > prolifically posting to the list recently, but in the 8 years I've been > involved in gcc development I've never heard of him before this thing > kicked off, and the stuff I've had the misfortune to see by him appears > to me to be full of conspiracy theories and deranged raving. The clue > might have been when he referred to us as "bitches". > "Don't feed the trolls" might have worked once, but sometimes they > start talking to each other, and it becomes difficult for a bystander > to tell that everyone else is ignoring them, and it keeps threads like > this one alive. > > I reject the idea that those of us who work on GCC have to put up with > arbitrary emails from random crazies on the internet without even the > simple recourse of being able to put individuals on moderation. That > might have worked 20 years ago when I thought ESR was relevant, but > seems absurdly out-of-date to me today. > > As usual, these are my opinions only, not necessarily those of my > employer The deranged raving is the disclaimer every time an employee posts something. > Dave > > >