From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE8AE3947404 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 20:12:40 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org CE8AE3947404 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs03.server.lan [172.19.170.169]) (via HTTP); Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:12:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: paulkoning@comcast.net Cc: Nathan Sidwell , GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:12:34 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <600F49EC-F59B-41EF-B6F5-E030A6B629C0@comcast.net> References: <600F49EC-F59B-41EF-B6F5-E030A6B629C0@comcast.net> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8kPRnKiyEzVt3sjb/VUFxb8O6aAWMvZ/cAXkae7rWxUYFLt4GPjUNSKGu0pECbeNtMSWH uF5f/Oq8CyJYy7M1Kd35VNhqdGdaQS8x8GzaGD95ZVxZi/bdQg4GPPf7fUOjOCpWft3qB1qaa0jI dQDuysuMV5CiRZ8qo467d7bzj2dpdd0Qu2KiTtlrLphiqVV44ujWrrovpWYVsK7K+XgGChOk+o0i qISdCUm6a5hHt061Jm0Iob4XYS0EhymSV0FpyhMhhvNEtqT/ZBjqD8NBFyNaGycFAqej1j7YwzgS ck= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/jG24qg81ko=:XvpItp5214YvTvb55iNBCJ umnVcl71/fQS4e4L4oZDkgUhSTslWSPZ5NY5MMpjBDpDbq49MFTzBPjXHyiWInJeZxDmKJkkt fI+yuwdAgxX0acJULz5DFTouYNeu0z22RqbJnFRfkVdmFbRovfx6ba6i1o1p8IxjtCmj4ABtK UI3yI1ZgxWKQpL4mhL7xupdDzSq9BICYe3tJRDBSQ3kqwkPL8FqMoAN+vmbL+DreRQo1Tj03b YG8qlLm1TwazbAx2ZyLHbWWn/Z1xVKE/zKL+1x6D6M9i1qHPpHxv8ka/w0PlY5/jN9pumGU8b O0ZzB44lvSOc+iKVrsxca5WyPpGGbHOuG6eLy/Km/nqsAEYUDzV+fiSXqvcfuO4p4o6sdJTWN kMckUiyJJCOdu3lCdafTH3V6XFHTLu0MWpFdCmiudkajwmwAbyWxbi4eDtePqCD9WgzxrSnVu tz7anqNRWaPRdGwmbgVCo/VcRhGBW3XvcOKshw7AD+m1xue1eICYx/RR7o09ObBcf+GqE5qSP dtej5BGCbrbQvOTTw9R+DWr2b5ucmk0J2GInFvAWoI5nB5nJJ2vfRhl314KFBAhCZ0t4uKEwl YhJzpE0fUZ+kK2nyv1DqkAWMKR+YaIkJjrIP8dqnF1qSFPVZLWhw4g/FOwtSLUN3TbrdRBFWO mwnSbOq2eqYajV6MEwxk9aiSSbPWjcWr+ei9yrs+mvSi7MLod8kxAKcPQAsTl/+m3DNUz9Ri3 Z77ij/BqVOzre2CqP94HgJ0ab0HYtct/q1qx7tbmefW+tirzKwUY7N6CtbtDKrH+9QrmXDARI Y1ZZxMtiafFbDx0GwF62ub5wohb2uMxjl0TjxSnWJmlTBIDvLIy+6GQiL977l7ewbuXVD81on We2rAJX0Y0r3M4HYqPEwjZm+DME4CXHWNt2hJShkCt0yNN89VN0aHehHElK4O4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 20:12:42 -0000 > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 6:32 AM > From: "Paul Koning via Gcc" > To: "Nathan Sidwell" > Cc: "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > > > > On Apr 14, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > > > > On 4/14/21 12:52 PM, Martin Jambor wrote: > >> Hi Nathan, > >> On Wed, Apr 14 2021, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > >>> Do we have a policy about removing list subscribers that send abusiv= e or > >>> other toxic emails? do we have a code of conduct? Searching the wi= ki > >>> or website finds nothing. The mission statement mentions nothing. > >> I think that (most?) people have already figured out that messages fr= om > >> unfamiliar senders on certain topics have to be ignored. It is much > >> easier than any moderation, which would be ugly work (someone would h= ave > >> to read the often horrible stuff). > >> I think that you only "associate" with trolls if you feed them. I ha= ve > >> recently made that mistake on this list once and will not repeat it. > > > > I disagree. Their emails pollute the list. Just as I wouldn't like t= o go to a bar where there are noisy jerks in a corner, I don't like to fre= quent an ML where there are. Bouncers exist in physical space, is it so h= ard to electronically bounce jerks? Is it so hard to explicitly say 'be a= jerk and be thrown out'? > > Who decides? > > Bouncers enforce the policy of the owner of the joint. In any meetingpl= ace that has an owner who has authority over who enters, it's possible to = establish rules controlling ejection and bouncers to do the ejecting. > > Our place does not have a single owner who has the authority to decide u= nilaterally "you're not wanted, leave". What mechanism would you use inst= ead? Ostracism, in the classic Greek sense of a secret ballot to decide f= or or against banishment? - paul We can reintroduce the duel. It was originally reserved for the male memb= ers of the nobility in the late 18th century in England using pistols. What d= o you think of that? :)