From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C1A3858004 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 17:58:38 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org C4C1A3858004 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs05.server.lan [172.19.170.173]) (via HTTP); Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:58:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Mark Wielaard Cc: GCC Development , Nathan Sidwell Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:58:21 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <20210328124744.GQ2685@wildebeest.org> References: <20210328124744.GQ2685@wildebeest.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Dtbyi/qYlb9bRvPhqNP9kofMY7PdJqs0wdKZEyU4vzOazLwlJ3luE0cwCkQAFgO1O9QXT kKhmZVu2DtwmsEUd9FlhmhOF3CYIFiCaWySssNBNXkGzWbetEHbRYiYaULhCdnGeemIW9jhjFMCO F0o4Ckvc/5jtg6XBnSIqcn2BTBGb///yUr4MCaVsyKvzSMRpQ3ITKMhOK1VIA/nN/cxi2hsIqItB S3fA7KSLcFmfHH94IBxe+Gf3qdNe8CqGbOLIOcZ4l/UYXW9p+mKps+4U9SlQU5xu1SnOGteVQyhZ aA= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:vjiDl/y2CBw=:p1Y1GQrMMatKDMGj+x8gGw E+9bSKHF1lnbfNAy5IwXJXIf14EvpkgJ7IxdEz9w4Pbv+f1h6PHXV/sxRu1ksi+KjAJxM8jPZ uBJVcXSB9HyiuE7WDLcl5D8olFfAK3SmR16jfrT+/yVi+e3km9w+LCRiQd9HB28je/+IGaIGm bbz2hVWdbqEcVOn5bMUr3s0sgN2NoEhWpx4In2oe7nGQg2AlGFbyTa1HjOWnpegdGGwWNCUYe yfv/qXbUy5If2JRGZ30NgwlVUTg5l+pKavZoT/4KKmA5OAuo0NxmQyuooLzPfCW6eOyaQbjm9 sAKwe5gSqhRpvFguHkA8LgA+8m4qOWPxc7GGDqqRDQLRjqUZYH8xGobxfaQKCxeN0cnY1z7q8 HrnKD/6lK2OZ3fWmJO7qcUFHPwPu/13B/xYzBFKEajXqZrFGxOZq9PG3C9+Dx+KICeA9R8U62 cCR/qscN4mQjm/m9X/aZzfhHe+vtdp51PFX93232XKLrbVXSrRPvOvB0Fi409sYQ48QCbIDpQ lDmzPfxMFVuLSFQFTlqsmCxQhvI2HXDSmyZa0MEW+Zw9n+CO2arz/xI+9t2Buv/JetGtObPBK NiijLKjORTTIheRQR+3WskqJlueHpxlhMj3mk+m9B4y5NXsQtiZQzPNEGUTt9U0WtqAE0/6lr RH8qA974zDwdA4zLh7uDM9nqvFkn7CjdycF0wz3sEUM6fsMEYUf5B1KcdBfXBKSFyWLuj14B6 08XCOYnVBlG61b9WRydCmqrNnF1ktHvWWez6/B73L0jLIfORyAh8pwOyJzZ+lvy8WtVFjXzr4 YIv8o7IQx/392RUzu1RTLgDi+maOF9VlFW8BshZvu2LpY6iUlMi1Q9dUyDxcUKoQi73XOft+H lEuaIGS6r7QkQTSyHj8OYW5xXu/GR2yJ/OxVegA+oBZCnsYV3XvnAM6KSVrem1 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, LIKELY_SPAM_BODY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 17:58:40 -0000 The methods used to put a leash on Torvalds and Assange and the methods use= d to put one on Stallman are too similar to ignore=2E It hasn=E2=80=99t stopped there either, it is now being wielded as a way t= o yoke all developers of mainstream software (whether mainstream and non-free, or mai= nstream and under a free license) into indentured servants of projects that have b= een taken over by corporate donors who then force even original authors to do = things the way the monopoly wanted, or get out=2E --------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 12:47 AM > From: "Mark Wielaard" > To: "GCC Development" > Cc: "Nathan Sidwell" > Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee > > Alexandre, >=20 > Making our community more welcoming is indeed a process=2E And some > steps will just be symbolic=2E But I don't believe removing RMS from > (perceived) leadership positions in the GNU project and from the FSF > is just symbolic=2E And even for a symbolic step it is a powerful > one=2E It shows we don't tolerate harassment in our project=2E And I do > hope it doesn't end with that step=2E We also have to decide whether we > still want to be associated with the FSF=2E Hopefully the FSF takes > their responsibility and replaces the whole board to show we can start > with a clean slate=2E >=20 > One issue is that as long as GCC is associated with RMS and the FSF > others who could help us won't because the FSF is that toxic now: > https://www=2Eoutreachy=2Eorg/blog/2021-03-23/fsf-participation-barred/ > And they are far from the only Free Software project who has said > something similar=2E >=20 > We are not talking about some single recent incident, but about > decades of problematic behavior=2E At the last face-to-face GNU Tools > Cauldron, everybody I talked to about it had some story about being > harassed by RMS, had witnessed such harassment or heard from or knew > someone who had been=2E >=20 > For years people have tried to help him see how his actions and words > might hurt others, even if they are completely logically correct to > himself=2E And obviously that is sometimes hard, nobody is perfect, but > hopefully we get a little better every time=2E But this never happened= =2E > And it really needs to stop=2E >=20 > RMS actively undermines those who try to make our community a little > bit more welcoming=2E Violating anti-harassment policies of > conferences=2E Even those from the FSF by claiming to be above those > policies because of his leadership position or using his position to > tell staff they cannot enforce such policies against others=2E Because > he is against enforcing any anti-harassment policy some GNU > mailinglist is currently being used to organize a doxing campaign > (publishing photos, address and calls to report to the local police > station to get her house raided and arrested) for simply saying the > same things we are discussing here now=2E >=20 > I witnessed something similar recently when we had setup the > mailinglist to discuss improving governance of the GNU project=2E When a > female GNU (GCC) volunteer spoke up she got attacked and harassed=2E We > told the harassers that was totally unacceptable and blocked them from > sending more emails to the list=2E RMS arranged for those people to get > unblocked to continue their hate campaign on the public GNU list so > they could "defend him and the GNU project"=2E That was followed by a > torrent of hate to the list making any discussion impossible and > making women feel like they were specifically targeted=2E He still > hasn't learned that his words and actions are dog whistles for > misogynists, transphobics and racists=2E This really has to stop=2E >=20 > You link to a parody of a request of tens of Free Software foundation > projects and thousands of Free Software hackers who are calling for > the removal of the entire Board of the Free Software Foundation and > for Richard M=2E Stallman to be removed from all leadership positions, > including the GNU Project=2E For similar reasons that people here are > now calling for RMS to be removed from the GCC steering committee=2E >=20 > The real letter is here: https://rms-open-letter=2Egithub=2Eio/ >=20 > Sometimes satire is a way to deal with difficult problems, but I don't > think that is appropriate here and I hope people take these issues > seriously, because I think they are=2E >=20 > Mark >