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> =20 > My employer gives me permission=2E >=20 > That's good to know=2E My employer on the other hand expressly forbids = it=2E > And I think that is a reasonable prohibition (we're allowed to use their > internet connection for personal use) but not allowed to use the company > name (including email addresses) in personal communication=2E Even if t= hey > didn't prohibit this, I wouldn't dream of using my company's email or > letterhead for personal communication=2E > =20 > Given the reaction that some have faced for questioning RMS, I'd pr= efer > to keep that address private=2E >=20 > So in other words, you are happy to make contraversial statements, but d= on't > wish to face the responsibility=2E Come on David! By all means questio= n RMS > (or anyone else) but have the guts to do this under your own identity ra= ther > than duck in and out behind a veil of quasi-anonymity! My address is public=2E David, if you did not like my reaction, I would not say that you hesitated in making disparaging comments=2E But am not against using your freedem of speech to see what is going on=2E But tho philosophy that is guiding the utterances against RMS by left wing totalitarians is the same philosophy of that of Mao Zedong - "Life is shit and then you die!"=2E =20 > I'm glad that you're going to continue to contribute to GCC=2E >=20 > J' >