From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 710843857C66 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:36:09 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 710843857C66 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs06.server.lan [172.19.170.174]) (via HTTP); Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:36:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Frosku Cc: Ian Lance Taylor , chris.punches@silogroup.org, GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:36:04 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2IgyQDEcxFf55U5Pro/5TQwMjj58pFvMzBbP+f1zzG1Zx1YD/rfbJkxLgRKwK3emqAR3U Dq+uHc8h/Ttj1oB8rpdJqG6x97EYvB/HZxyX4hVn6cl/1Z//0ihru11fCGeLIzZZGuGWvFdnaAT8 QC2XaSRzWAd34Lu9S/9NiyvMzbDquShPxBrkexmknIj4wUmEQcW6e2LRYLyVemboKsPmt6sDwmuT 6LP/GRC9rOxT7zt6Q73QMZcvSe/SsI9Bo1+ZkJ2LhJ1knGnwVE8cIceHFT1lgetxsgEwulsJ7QyH fM= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:CdcggfGOkX4=:+o+2asknveJKi6Fwv29SXJ dgbl33wiW3XYmrPKXD1v/hY8DKQMW9YKwu+YvWDlx0F26CYwc6Q9dGdzo+j5D5DBiauybYbNL jtoEpevYlt4sJ3MG9P3o3NRwH+8MZvFBaZNwlmV/xWfnwiNnBMkbQpwlu7fqZ55ml9Rpoke6s Tp9hJZSbjT7hZpvc9Y/JR+DWPXxAP8rMYNPQjZg+ewxAj8sGQgBZYKBe/T66nLLq3O56IQ6VB QwXAZ8ph9bFDDdqSCteLj1IpsDSTc4lF4/JJo9RMv9XKt58YNZQyA7/vhKCz2lPzCOBJxP+an hAOlGvgs1b9xO5JsIK1+5DWbqv32SP2ThibJ+5IsmnnUFcmAeq37k2TUnHTcVZZ3w+2YEL24l ywoQ/XwBJ0buTJpxHVucn6srrZ7dPTuxI0E1CklPiNzrR/q351OCmzT0VDjsksMOrK6BWLi/J xkdX/xhVJzbbGAEYvQ81njQieOQY1BALNo1f088z67zjg80kZjw8fzo9fPJBesC6WDqM6dsan vpCuz8Cf8REGrtjdqOAlT1HJ7XN0VIgBaaSajyBWyBcIGcji9wFn7WStbN1xZWjswjTwzthyP HZcoi5YRKfjxMuJ/z0r+Dmw52o8s9AEt/dUatE/daBdhKpapFLE9tOqVcsNar033/oVFAstei 7iqeg80ZXchstWQ+lLW8x5fMnwX4O8SlM6tb9zVt+tDOZD58AQ/i3igheE1/oQ6J7nxwr0KW1 ppjvBgpa0yzBPd6bO5uFOLiScBzpOJjm4fDuo9KKHEIhj7VD7XwDPS1ajEP+RAf0aDCy+VUCl JGQ0dSRrWDsT9ohShTMSn+bU4dt5Wk90nP+GfGkKtku40q8q/XbTYh8EhnS5YeoSkwB9tKMf7 o4da8D7bmc0j/bGtDZ1zJvgyrSgg1XJy0r+BafBJYIOPAYErhL57N1dxzcJrWH Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:36:11 -0000 > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:11 AM > From: "Frosku" > To: "Ian Lance Taylor" , chris.punches@silogroup.org > Cc: "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > On Thu Apr 15, 2021 at 9:51 PM BST, Ian Lance Taylor via Gcc wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 1:26 PM Chris Punches via Gcc > > wrote: > > > > > > Every single proponent of this argument that I have seen so far is > > > employed by one of the same 5 companies and "really isn't doing it o= n > > > behalf of my company I swear". > > > > > > Why is it almost exclusively that specific crowd saying it here, the= n? > > > > For better or for worse, since the early '90s the majority of people > > who do serious work on GCC have been hired by companies that want to > > do serious work on GCC. After all, it's a win-win: the company gets > > work done, the GCC programmer gets well paid. The effect is that most > > of the major GCC contributors work for a relatively small number of > > companies. There are of course many exceptions, but that is the > > general rule. > > > > Ian > > In my view, if people employed by a small number of American companies > succeed in disassociating GCC from GNU/FSF, which is representative of > the free software grassroots community, this is not a win-win. This is > powerful US corporations removing something our community created from > our community's oversight and moving it into a space where it's governed > by representatives of Silicon Valley rather than a membership-based non > profit. > > Whilst everyone's contributions to the software should be welcomed, I > don't think you'll find many FSF members celebrating the impact of paid > Corporate engineers on GCC if this sorry state of affairs comes to be. The commercial use of free software is our hope, not our fear. When peopl= e at IBM began to come to free software, wanting to recommend it and use it, and maybe distribute it themselves or encourage other people to distribute it for them, we did not criticise them for not being non-profit virtuous enough, or said "we are suspicious of you", let alone threatening them. > >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D= > 1 } =3D<< >