From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A1E9385703F for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:41:21 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 5A1E9385703F X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs01.server.lan [172.19.170.58]) (via HTTP); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:41:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Giacomo Tesio Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, Gerald Pfeifer , Frosku Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:41:14 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:oWwqtZTcmrxLq45bgebIo2Z0RO4mtM0947GYt+sIGSJflYoHxtjtGc2I8SWqwEMX5rV8X Qubq0xG952BTC40HBZ7nF4cKUVVLrazQi93ij8qYa583efJLtYYehnloGJuzKUefi/ul6HT6p5vv YXX/UWFp7iVTmcGIcxUiq0HKhFgjKSuk3VXqfo8FsYnYi+zZSCR5kq7rJ8tcqvdBi2tgBCHla6mI kVmil0q255ALDLDIshM79TGc0mem9+jGcMD48bXuiFs9LkzTkEeyX+0y4x5d9Dp12CXhEvoYLP5a KM= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:fN01ZM8TDYU=:vP9u433d2bWWLwamOnd24C evsoCXNWz8SOlN4GHYOmLn24zbE1gY79CTYtxE6ZHBcDwpKseU2cDj53Fu1sVNFEUTw+Huuqy X0aVMkc9xS0GwB5pjWUtS35bzftBaO1XNN08oiFgUo2AP0mYlvraq70e6KWnW4f2bvosHDn2b 1mxx7b8OsFE6yGFm1GRwETLUVMnPtDGAmR5mDCpCRwDbIDzePItDIb6QgnSOFQhx2oLRErezD qZ1yWSIDdZ1/qCkNSTLBAkSJmCU2mVHjjdsTWY4T2+YUrB6roAvXoYMbI+tzYYrsg+Ce4D7Bb WRDs7qUkuWVYu25jOXBBOLA7JC8XX95ON4FsXZBkFN+tBm1CKvDFB/4JgYevnvceMnVlroiRT jBaxEPgzU0aJmYzXjluPlEFwX98/B+pzXINn2EZXRl2nFBg75h552KHITwGGt+QPry5SA0OuC yMXErlGU/ktEYFqsLt1AyEHxfExuM/YwKEUt7jd0qwxpn/4mQAqMFcfwLH2Qi3BdBoO/aJfSb 35cNyiHr4nZlPYpXifyjj7hLj70nPic4N3zMYLLm837MDwCJ952M78LqJnY18cEsb//kfPlu9 xGgSWsbi7LzQ4PGTAaMcl6suKyucJjQqNFVhRVOjOGBOW/VV7T9+fCAyWIWCQ4n9DhwtFSvXl H1i3K90UCa+aFh0AsopnHg55Mb2BsR00wty8AVnsLwrh7l4w9cKE4hY6e3vfCLAwHQ2XSJecV rHZ2TjCsmQPKnBaCAmJkQxeSZ7oENNLRUMtSbQibDbloKLsJ6hWNK0rv0pnnV88P9jfe03exX uUfbKtooiz8n5K7ekDsuX+LdTMumuWrtu/OIUqO44ZFs/OKs+emzfbEM/AzCkrt9OMlulcv1P a1SwToLWxgSL1DI/6eMmYu2oxpAkg9Ow6Zv/IQBQxc0h7bASumUVYa7NcLamVs X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3029.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPAM_BODY, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:41:25 -0000 > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 11:56 PM > From: "Giacomo Tesio" > To: gcc@gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg, "Gerald Pfeifer" , "Frosk= u" > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > Hi Gerald,, >=20 > On April 17, 2021 9:09:19 AM UTC, Gerald Pfeifer = wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, Frosku wrote: > > > In my view, if people employed by a small number of American > > companies > > > succeed in disassociating GCC from GNU/FSF, which is representative > > > of the free software grassroots community > >=20 > > I find this insistant focus by some on "American companies"=20 > > interesting - and quite pointless=2E And my passport is burgundy=2E >=20 >=20 > So much that in fact, we are talking about some of the most controversia= l > corporation in the whole world=2E >=20 > And while we are talking about "toxic emailers", it's not lost to me > the irony that all this divisive debate about inclusive and righteous=20 > behaviour started with an email of a Facebook employee that defines > working in Facebook "a joy"=2E > https://gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235091=2Ehtml > > Yeah the same Facebook that still does what Cambridge Analytica used to= =2E It's worse than that=2E Facebook provides the soil and nourishment=20 for companies like Cambridge Analytica to grow=2E =20 Some early work on "The Shift News" exposed facebook profiles used to spread rumours about the government=E2=80=99s perceived enemies includi= ng the family of slain journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia in 2017=2E Her police protection was removed entirely in 2013 when the Labour party - a frequent target of her investigations - returned to power=2E https://theshiftnews=2Ecom/2018/05/27/the-shift-news-disinformation-watch-= fake-facebook-account-behind-unsubstantiated-attacks-on-opposition-mp/ https://edition=2Ecnn=2Ecom/2019/11/30/europe/daphne-caruana-galizia-qa-in= tl/index=2Ehtml =20 > > It also is a completely unwarranted attack on the integrity of the > > maintainers, contributors, and other leaders of GCC=2E Regardless of > > the color of their passports=2E >=20 > This is a strawman=2E >=20 > People are just concerned about the undue influence that these controver= sial corporations can have on GCC through the influence they have on their = employees=2E >=20 > It would be overly naive to pretend that the Steering Committee members'= =20 > are not influenced by their affiliations, even if we were not talking ab= out the > champions of surveillance capitalism=2E >=20 > And this has nothing to do with their integrity=2E >=20 > Why should they have declared such affiliations in the SC's web page, > if they were irrelevant? >=20 > Because they acknowledge that their affiliations have a non-negligible > influence on what they do and what they do not=2E >=20 >=20 > Also this has nothing to do with their passports=2E >=20 > In fact, as you say, >=20 > > The majority of the FSF board,=20 > > FSF leadership, and RMS himself are American from what I can tell=2E >=20 >=20 > It was Nathan who framed his request in term of culture, politics and > whiteness and priviledge=2E=2E=2E >=20 > And since the GCC Steering Committe did what he requested, we have to > assume that these are the kind of arguments that we have to debunk, > providing you with a more varied perspective=2E >=20 > But unfortunately you keep invalidating our perspective because=2E=2E=2E= we are "jerks"=2E >=20 >=20 > Giacomo >