From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B642F3858002 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:33:06 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org B642F3858002 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs09.server.lan [172.19.170.177]) (via HTTP); Tue, 30 Mar 2021 01:32:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Soul Studios Cc: Richard Kenner , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, mark@klomp.org, nathan@acm.org Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 01:32:49 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <7be10e2b-5096-68bb-fb0c-843f07df274f@soulstudios.co.nz> References: <20210328124744.GQ2685@wildebeest.org> <20210329121809.D240533CB0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <7be10e2b-5096-68bb-fb0c-843f07df274f@soulstudios.co.nz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:I5SGhZevA6qxaTRm3AOkkJjsnMGLHWy7oRYJgxqdSedAkgW0G0DMVp9g71Z0ZtEj2tzTG EVcg7snrBa/OA4VBZVrsDzrOT0DT+sq3Q8uMKen8DGSF9cnxyX+WfWoCj4ANqzxJzIGDuauvlWMN erCFYe5QJLdZU91fbhG1oVQV9B577ldfplNPpCJ28aSK0pRuyfyuhEDoZkxuHN2skeg4UE9kp3ci uIN7xcCjiNhtk9R3jFX5c9fev8jaE/g0qWuO53/M4ZRXB9NXQaqbOnfsZAZ5hF6BAYwqiVUsbXm6 OU= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:1XdeLWs/jB4=:pw9VQvZT55x33a0rmhoKrD heFSgYsgJhX9zI4g8KgGWCJUh8+AhUfFGNMLM6iMCaYIOQV2B4R5jzoFU/WFRatj0ZYQBdLj5 BIzgrWoQjShgE7Ep4i63FSiyXQctJspZ/4oAgN7krXhFQGTVL7IsEFOqbmGQP1eVodi0PkavY afRT7W62f1IAzJl2uOzvZyr/gtvrlX8Nq0P7O2l1HDOXrjj3/499mrLGNSJ/VtKlf++r4uuSP so+V6zg7d6D41iZ2k/XoGn8mcPLZsbvTcbyYda8AubCmceuUbepSvQmTNw9QYaYs//iIEaxGd 7fDDOb4lZmwR6O4DYZJPFj+8RYsJnug1j3NXl3fVVMRgXQ1No5K12YOhuAnCV8WOus0IN431i NulX58gHpzGZK+8p2GPISBx2gpC9uEtmdEk7/DAWf8RF9UZHkGiFmGXVpvygPi+90I28XXemb LA5kS7ARLQMi2E6SDQdVDojXsShQaugKuVVaIm6BJ9IRHCp5Ep/N+IuErhCgkSa3MkNmcgEyU vchWTSVnCbgLkDIB7Q50EARCh/pPSelubyCE27PQ4khMNwP1Eke2T62fSyhNeWuMHOscrgj5J qZs3uNi7r4LPM6lj6FyhEDUhcBH3o8lcFSCyOWuiHU+h8P8/pq2h6h8lL7Ox3sR+05zStCSGe rSq9rGHmk31kSF5OBWFfhmMiG6HHbhGC1bcKK7p9oXOB253CsV4gGJ1v81XJ4ZV9Sb3aKs4OM 1aBBu+v/8HSI1/fpMJOyeKBn6cAYWQy7Ln8mivQNLTXOaaUWE334tJei6VpzQHtFVgcg3UDlX qn7LAVOo5ha0m98Zo4wM9DoYv8UtTvb53qAZjCuCBWsfvKFETVAmrGwccmzkFVAClEL2e00I/ lTqS4bT0VwA44q8X7DT68iMWD8IuAYDbKwnnMp3N6SUzbEbxlB7zGODw3s69dW X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, COVID_BODY, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:33:11 -0000 Here is something close to the fundamental issue: Believing in private life= , that people are entitled to their own associations and opinions (even bad = ones!), and entitled to make their own mistakes, too =E2=80=94 and that, barring s= ome direct connection to work life or extraordinary circumstance, that none of this i= s the concern of the little platoons of finks lurking in the community,=20 particularly when driven by facebook lackeys muzzling everyday journalists who go against the grain=2E We see this not only here but also to medical information dealing with coronavirus and vaccines=2E --------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM > From: "Soul Studios" > To: "Richard Kenner" > Cc: gcc@gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg, mark@klomp=2Eorg, nathan@acm=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee > >=20 > On 30/03/2021 1:18 am, Richard Kenner wrote: > >> I think I will leave this discussion up to those who have more > >> familiarity with the guy than I do=2E There's no doubt that some of t= he > >> stuff Stallman has written creeps me the hell out, and I think it was > >> more the tone of the OP I objected to=2E > >=20 > > I mostly want to stay out of this and will leave much of this discussi= on to > > others (though I have met RMS personally on a number of occaisions), b= ut I > > want to mostly say that I agree with Jeff that it's important that thi= s > > discussion stay civil=2E > >=20 > > I believe that to a large extent, the discussion here is reflective of= a > > much larger discussion in society of to what extent, if at all, an ent= ity > > associated with an person must or should take action based on things t= hat > > that person does while not associated with that entity=2E >=20 > It's worth noting that when RMS was kicked from FSF, there was a=20 > 2k-strong petition in favour, and a 3=2E5k-strong petition against=2E So= =20 > clearly there is a discussion to be had, but as long as the left-wing=20 > (through self-rightiousness and threats of exclusion/withdrawal) and the= =20 > right-wing (through belligerance and abuse/hostility) are trying=20 > actively to shut down discussion, that will not take place=2E >