From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::e]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57659385703A for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:49:55 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 57659385703A Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38048) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lVEvq-0002Yx-1T for gcc@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 10:49:54 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:41755) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVEvn-00033l-VP for gcc@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 10:49:53 -0400 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs05.server.lan [172.19.170.173]) (via HTTP); Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:49:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: David Brown Cc: John Darrington , David Malcolm , gcc@gnu.org Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:49:35 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <6aca6d2f057a5bbbd23016c1518f1beeef1c1f96.camel@redhat.com> <20210407162454.GA22759@jocasta.intra> <20210408064528.GA10349@jocasta.intra> <94ca414af699bab851008f86f006db4bd8bf1929.camel@redhat.com> <20210408182128.GA19715@jocasta.intra> <5f532c131146b9c7549f03eac7a9da3a29db1a2e.camel@redhat.com> <20210409063749.GA8596@jocasta.intra> <04fa3173-9809-b905-8fa3-f6554b8ae7d7@hesbynett.no> <06eb8287-e6bb-270f-e5a5-730c10bb31ef@hesbynett.no> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:585I74x2Kd7/UKQVU15rgRUq0TqAd03r5W3S+HKMjPVvLpagz+Hk/V3mqFZolHz13tPTH cwa2AfaC+mGPKuVP/bX8h8I5gOJLDX4YupUlNUa+7GTqE63p9X3ZBfJ+Z1Xy17cGeuhgr4lnufDz 376t864cNt+JbumaP4sikZPl3+HdNstR2YvU6/g8JzXEEOy7O8R721LyUGLCUf+CvRAwg70hYsEG b4eKnJDiERbjl1GqPMnXJkRfp31ioM8Rwv0B6caYhhPiljOLSyd6vec+AQGGwgYNJePgj9491Wwo IM= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:7Mj7XZDIiZI=:pIH4a5wN8kHNWQmc+9Y19+ IrJkRM401HNemfZDVH+7mB44c/kBop2qgIuQg4YBswiuvqBJsFgBP84BFwqIO5JhSDDFcl97X 1/L1bzk1sc6pZmpoBfkjCNqJYdIhIrC6EdiobrSqZaC3uBiNE+QWcbmJpvQu+YEbBbHa2LaHj ZVTFGWFjhet3j5XK9pOWJvKtftadvRVpI3ZXALId+areAH0oygNGPyr1xy647snQBEcDFJFLB nNinETezGXVyxhg3CUKx0kfsryyGilA2lqvbprMEniH/e+V0StT41co9IVXETIUVjGZel4qTM Vo8g4wkvla+H7NX+I1MVSHqdPUEaTlr82fYvkJgpz9m570bZlPPwGTOBaAtB8aleBYwH1aRf/ Bef74Uir/1K3aR1Ei0iMfI9ve6kixZwhChrnQUPUz8W9PUD8gR95o2dbvZbkOW7lVNu2plPoG 6/JyHAbYagpDu9PGICS5C5cSnUo9YPEJQY8GFWBUhYcmmCBgagz0YvUKt2V2fvmQZlCgcRRPW p0hjqR0kA6rrekVFB4sTuket6J/7a8BXsqY+qiDdEe/eexx77TDGQ3mbTTxMNDJcDledq9eay FKp1A/8vcNwGytAF/OA0YxoQOIJpk0bmg60UHR1UEPAXYxUOBvlTG3YjeO/EF08rx2klwTNSN pPgHn3OKtCe/NHa07vsAl7Ggp4tNEtfclvrlOaDbQ1fiNqZ/F1VyJDzG7aee975OfqXLKPrSl yLFz5iHPdPNxaV3PHO9OnM0kGjToVTqDcr46cotYErO3YWiGjUNyKvF97WR7NFrdkvwfhwZRd HU80UmptqOFUXBhG45p60hu8GZDmGUYhEtDezvlcvOymOxo+L2MdxtzEpX+Ve7P3aUjFSKN3T UiMk8SNGVoFGGQE0p9zuogy0uaL6tJe1oMlt5PMNpknceRoUm3SEtpDFXmwaP9 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:49:56 -0000 > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 12:27 AM > From: "David Brown" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "John Darrington" , "David Malco= lm" , gcc@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF > > On 09/04/2021 20:02, Christopher Dimech wrote: > >=20 > >> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 5:01 AM > >> From: "David Brown" >=20 > >> > >> Different opinions are fine=2E Bringing national or international > >> politics into the discussion (presumably meant to be as an insult) is > >> not fine=2E This is not a political discussion - please stop trying = to > >> make it one=2E > >=20 > > It is an assessment of what you propose=2E The removal of people from= all > > positions is a political statements=2E I have no problem with politic= al > > discussions and certainly don't take instructions from you, to say the= =20 > > least! What you talk about is exactly what drives Chinese and Russian > > officials to suppress anybody who does not conform with their demands= =2E =20 > > The consequences will be the same should you and others get your way > > of doing things=2E >=20 > There is a big difference between suppression or censorship, and wanting > people in leadership positions to be representative of the values of the > group they lead=2E RMS can have all the opinions he wants, and act has = he > will (until he ends up arrested for it), but if he is to remain a > representative for others (FSF, GNU and/or GCC), then he has a duty to > act appropriately according to the values those organisations think are > important=2E If you look at the history of computing you will find that it was mostly crooks and people of very mixed kind of qualities=2E Not al all saints=2E Many of them quite unscrupolous and not very clever=2E And still they man= aged to do great things=2E=20 =20 So it tells a kid: They could do that, why can't you? That was certainly what turned me on=2E Freedom 0 also says "The freedom to run a program as you wish, for any purpose"=2E Should we get our ideas from politicians and bureaucrats; or from Aleksand= r Solzhenitsyn, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ernest Hemingway,= =20 Aldous Huxley, Marie-Henri Beyle, and Emily Jane Bront=C3=AB? From the la= tter of course! > I think that you mix up freedom and free reins=2E Freedom is not anarch= y=2E > Being free from sexism, prejudice, bullying, and harassment are as > important as freedom of speech or politics=2E >=20 > >> > >> We (the free software world) does not need a person with the qualitie= s > >> of RMS any more - that is the point=2E There should not be such a > >> position as "Chief GNUsance"=2E > > =20 > > Secondly, I cannot clearly see what status you have for making statem= ents > > that imply a representation for the free software world!!! > >=20 >=20 > I have said very clearly that I am a user of gcc - not a developer, and > the opinions I express are very much my own=2E The does not hinder me > from saying what I think the free software world (developers and users) > want or need=2E I have not made any claims or suggestions that I am pri= vy > to the minds of others, or that my opinions and ideas are in any way > more weighty than those of others=2E >=20 >