From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B39D3839C42 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:05:05 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 0B39D3839C42 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs06.server.lan [172.19.170.174]) (via HTTP); Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:04:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Joseph Myers Cc: Frosku , esr@thyrsus.com, GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:04:56 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <20210415235237.GA71223@thyrsus.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:T5iPiLZJ97LDzBBi6XjdpxkzazwQcU9yjWMkTDW0siBNLGn6nrBqjuXhSO0YkRKL6s0iZ orF+4WYc+kr2a9HsnuzehpLZIIbx2ntSSTmziLL0XiAq2KE1Imt0C/2VOYol1YaGSpW6R2c2jJRy xHqeb1geZdDw+yuNSzFBVJGm3CgDUUN6wbfhdNRQ/z/808Wfxg7zWktB5GfKRn/vwAZlsAr5XCGK uFMhm421mr7tHoJliZGvE6tOxI1lInhzgtLl9vigFMXSj4/gk+nIrngzRU7ce9dElOeMmhoIpWsb J8= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:8ho/5IiFg1E=:EothV/24tuLylaqmaVod4u zCChHchCquDetZSkJWvZ6oYbRxvws+QP1NaJu6yHV9IsvWHTVXDjcLrnoLryB91oEMkgPq6Vf +9ehEL/naySOB5TgOIxrvpbdGYIm1E0H03vQey9PUiYx1w7h+RqGwngVrgCz2N11CUzQrc/o9 sI28E/7jqQGgya4UgQVeeUOeNQmVD43pzNOAje38swN/cGBLvs7g2uapTQRmKZUapnBS50Nnx DtJ2aZ7Mz+R3klKbEMw0x9aaDQFCYLd6XJoOmeHa0SeBarIfj793ee6xmSXJM8U23TwI5F6wj +OPxp/+mfnrdYft5hGFejCWZpl2TITsp8+c+QAbezfmrg2KGOTdSLYXhtYfdTnyOSUgqe1ws9 qQd1XAyGsqAXBpTbQLW0YGckYYaC+Sqpu3znO7sPOdZ4Dwm4y4P5hgPptuqrx0bwNm6qzq3pH UlCPO3q+Eyb02SBqjGoNRuOm9vKI2tobzcjTL/YphDRj8crppirmr10kaGwoPMNnasSqUTbFs tnGO9TLH8ulzP1gJHI8Ql7I4TdqWhmhSFsI/g2NWD5Ik7s0k9OTf0vzy5avvgmxJvIWdkGEMi TDKN/BIOni9yyZzNTK4SsCiNg2BSc81XSvk1390wN0phoinWLAYIX4uu0/XvfT9ywQ+O1zjWf teq5xNbQocB2bjLEGsxXUi4fc4p3IX9I/uy0P3aBulvoZ4FPISCFx9nhaCsaYWs/If9eJY57X MVdTKSj8xNsCk4Ri1WL/FNAdJY/J86Y1VfvZj7O5GmrBpkapwQ27h7oR7rCx8mVQsZIIj7EjM jZQr5iXpyTbE2C2GzXSIE933SvI+7tojZB17/JJ+BffDcHpDOqrXAsiv18nYkJ95MNHWFHfGi LPhLdP4TNPWYxLpHFhbibnOaYPxwnBcjPQXeCZjUTRAF6kJBDkUAZxyl9yHs54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:05:07 -0000 > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 at 12:16 PM > From: "Joseph Myers" > To: "Frosku" > Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, "Christopher Dimech" , "GCC Develop= ment" > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, Frosku wrote: > > > Right now, the ultimate oversight of GCC sits with GNU & > > FSF -- both institutions with a mandate to represent the ecosystem bas= ed > > on level of membership and time spent fighting for free software. > > I think the oversight of glibc by development working through discussion > seeking consensus, and rejecting any attempt to override such consensus > "from above", is much more effective than any attempt GNU or FSF makes a= t > oversight. An umbrella organization for the toolchain should not act as > an "above" that can override the community at all; it should provide > services to the toolchain (e.g. legal support) as needed. It should act as an umbrella organization for distributing useful code under robust legal theory during the production of software in commons. That's my position, anyway. > -- > Joseph S. Myers > joseph@codesourcery.com >