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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: Frosku <frosku@frosku.com>, GCC Development <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:48:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-b0da8ce2-095d-4065-a5bb-c637b4712907-1618534086660@3c-app-mailcom-bs06> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210415235237.GA71223@thyrsus.com>


> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:52 AM
> From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> Cc: "Frosku" <frosku@frosku.com>, "GCC Development" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers
>
> Christopher Dimech via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>:
> > The commercial use of free software is our hope, not our fear.  When people
> > at IBM began to come to free software, wanting to recommend it and use it,
> > and maybe distribute it themselves or encourage other people to distribute
> > it for them, we did not criticise them for not being non-profit virtuous
> > enough, or said "we are suspicious of you", let alone threatening them.
>
> Actually, some of us did *exactly* those things late in the last century.

When I worked in ocean acoustics, everything was kept secret.  Yet russian
oceanographers (e.g. Leonid Brekhovshkikh who was working in the Sea Japan)
had themselves figured out the same phenomena independently at around the
same time.

> One of the challenges I faced in my early famous years was persuading
> the hacker culture as a whole to treat the profit-centered parts of the
> economy as allies rather than enemies.
>
> I won't say that a *majority* of us were resistent to this, but I
> did have to work hard on the problem for a while, between 1997
> and about 2003.

About ten years ago, free software was chosen as the operating system of
the International Space Station.  Things have been changing, but I agree
that there is much work to be done.  Our approach has been a noticeable
proposition, not just to us - though we understand why it is socially and
politically desirable that the world works this way.

> --
> 		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
>
>
>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-16  0:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-14 12:27 Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 13:18 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 13:28   ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 13:38     ` Frosku
2021-04-14 13:45     ` Frosku
2021-04-14 14:49     ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 14:57       ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 15:10         ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:08       ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 15:25       ` Didier Kryn
2021-04-14 17:09       ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 18:26         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 14:08   ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 15:06     ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 16:06     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 16:08     ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 20:39       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 20:49         ` Christopher Jefferson
2021-04-14 20:49         ` Paul Koning
2021-04-14 21:38           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15  0:13             ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15  0:40               ` Chris Punches
2021-04-14 22:40           ` Frosku
2021-04-14 23:19             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 23:28               ` Frosku
2021-04-14 23:36                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 23:39                   ` Frosku
2021-04-15  0:03                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-22 22:04             ` Soul Studios
2021-04-15 14:00           ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 15:17             ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 15:27               ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 19:21                 ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 19:45                   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 20:02                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 20:03                     ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-15 20:58                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 21:24         ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 21:40           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 21:57           ` Patrick McGehearty
2021-04-15  6:00             ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-15 16:18               ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-04-14 14:23   ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-14 14:54     ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 14:57       ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:18       ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-14 15:21         ` Frosku
2021-04-14 15:21       ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-14 18:27         ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-14 20:02           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 13:49           ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 17:31             ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 19:05               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 19:48                 ` Gcc as callable libraries (was: removing toxic emailers) Thomas Koenig
2021-04-15 21:19                   ` David Edelsohn
2021-04-15 21:31                   ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 21:51                     ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 19:27               ` removing toxic emailers Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 20:26               ` Chris Punches
2021-04-15 20:51                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-15 21:13                   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 23:11                   ` Frosku
2021-04-15 23:36                     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 23:44                       ` Frosku
2021-04-15 23:52                         ` Paul Koning
2021-04-15 23:55                           ` Frosku
2021-04-16  0:00                         ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-15 23:52                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16  0:04                         ` Frosku
2021-04-16  0:16                           ` Joseph Myers
2021-04-16  0:41                             ` Frosku
2021-04-16  1:04                             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16  0:48                         ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2021-04-17  9:09                     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2021-04-17 11:56                       ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 14:41                         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 18:11                         ` David Brown
2021-04-18  1:39                           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-18 13:10                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-18 14:51                               ` David Malcolm
2021-04-18 15:59                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-18 18:24                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-18 19:13                                   ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-18 20:10                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-19  0:54                                     ` Frosku
2021-04-18 19:06                                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-18 20:22                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-19  1:10                                     ` Frosku
2021-04-19  2:42                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-19  6:29                                       ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-19  6:31                                         ` Frosku
2021-04-19 15:06                                         ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-19 16:57                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-20  3:47                                           ` Frosku
2021-04-20  5:06                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-20  7:53                                             ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-20 14:03                                               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-20 14:15                                                 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-20 14:22                                                   ` David Brown
2021-04-20 14:30                                                     ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-18 11:12                           ` identifying toxic emailers (was: removing toxic emailers) Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-18 12:42                             ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-18 13:23                               ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17 13:57                       ` removing toxic emailers Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 21:13                 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-15 23:21                   ` JeanHeyd Meneide
2021-04-15 22:09                 ` Christopher Jefferson
2021-04-15 22:40                 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-15 23:28               ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16  0:20                 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16  2:47                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16  3:02                   ` Frosku
2021-04-16  3:19                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16  4:07                       ` Frosku
2021-04-16 16:28                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-16 23:15                           ` Frosku
2021-04-17  0:43                             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17  4:05                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-17  4:08                               ` Frosku
2021-04-17  5:04                                 ` Andrew Pinski
2021-04-17  9:08                                   ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17  9:41                                     ` Frosku
2021-04-17 15:07                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17  5:35                                 ` Jeff Law
     [not found]                                   ` <e324569ac358127174e1ba08337166c4d9494883.camel@silogroup.org>
2021-04-17  7:53                                     ` Frosku
2021-04-17  8:27                                       ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17  8:36                                         ` Frosku
2021-04-17  9:04                                           ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17  9:08                                             ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-17  9:29                                               ` Frosku
2021-04-17  9:25                                             ` Frosku
2021-04-17 14:21                                               ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17 12:41                                         ` Liu Hao
2021-04-17 15:16                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-17  9:29                             ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-17  9:36                               ` Frosku
2021-04-16  8:54                       ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-16 10:02                         ` Thomas Koenig
     [not found]                         ` <CAJWNc-7q+t1njvEow=a6QPD4uWA7htEZn=koRBNd3ziO4y8A-g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                           ` <CAJWNc-6rDMvK12h8PcjrTZO5E-c4qNsh0SHQ0+kmGV71Jis67Q@mail.gmail.com>
2021-04-16 14:42                             ` Iain Sandoe
2021-04-16 15:14                               ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-16 17:31                         ` NightStrike
2021-04-16  4:09                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-16  9:39                     ` Kalamatee
2021-04-16  9:58                       ` Frosku
2021-04-16 16:17                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-14 17:32   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 16:52 ` Martin Jambor
2021-04-14 18:19   ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-14 18:30     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 18:32     ` Paul Koning
2021-04-14 20:12       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15  0:10     ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15  9:18       ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-15 14:25         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 10:20       ` Aaron Gyes
2021-04-15 14:31         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 23:09 Adrian
2021-04-15  0:18 ` Soul Studios
2021-04-15 14:40 ` Eric S. Raymond
2021-04-15 22:49   ` Frosku

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