From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 310703846070 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:48:13 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 310703846070 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs06.server.lan [172.19.170.174]) (via HTTP); Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:48:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: esr@thyrsus.com Cc: Frosku , GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:48:06 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <20210415235237.GA71223@thyrsus.com> References: <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <20210415235237.GA71223@thyrsus.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:LmqKfXBQcZDLNODlyp9pQ5PV2c2lZl2OwgpWni28r1UkJvpXxfOeGBAQsNioK0h+50EfM oAavRA4k3IDK1D3asFK8vKD7B1fVqgru3+ehZXkoWCgUh9bGuk7i7zSyf7DDwIeibgwScCRe7xGy yNUba0ETDICZs63rN/DsIoGP3OqC9aP0ZNmUw8oDRI1a+T56pS9gs+HELtwI8gRF4xPuZli7NkKe FNmPkMF28jzbV5Z0LF3nzOZW9VpYyyIlWNXP0cyb+r0sO0wJ3sfNHCbZ0T/SSasWxfYazMHo0Hu8 oU= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:A9wIV2eE2Rc=:I5/JfQopkZAVql9PEogrKM xF4EQOSqV5LgT3plZxGNqjSDwXudjeMkJ0NmFvyrp5WZrGryFB476w12Pnw5KSVqT3KVIYfHO nvwLoKycM25OASsj2kcLXaPfPQjCPnaQuFULYcunkMYtHjCN3d7WSntIpB9OUoEiPbgDZHF1A +9/JOP/SnAClDNvO1DTzifIVssQWWp+uqXzJsxUTDjjVtEohUSmAkH3LMC802T9RlwC4CM/Og x2nKhQslwm6+22K6yxc4EgH+6KK5jQ74SHS9Ee2O/Aj5z4j0sR1i5ZOBBwq3izmif4yiZJLVa MR8BSCPXIIaC5NjFmOrVhC+DR6Y03L8sP2dv35YxRYQmr6jHYIvUbydFdAKMbU/h3R31fOnvl eZN1xVIICyKUNeny9e3Z90diKiwk6lxbdTXJ0h/RdF+6RdZWYlxgfsVcwZO3l2xANbiYx8pa7 BWxB6MU/hA4ZzRFBdEYbNODHdpLWVZiU/wcuPeuWVPdTKBKlYq+lBawuPYYR1MhZy08e3Hzs0 vYH7FuobUBPLsqBtI9fLiR2TrAXHlC03bzMbwvY0TAe6BqiUsfHt9wuShyxY0fcZyDCGtnDS/ lsll8a+1NAPcZBDD/07xTnzKe3Pa5qGhNyjYKyKyLUyJbz2CtTcC1SAvdJ29JKmXNrEBaSCVs Pf+34yrKDOD2Lu4pDqRPU4Zd5YCQXwIZJuoK8Igrc64KxU3UJLHzrf5qOd5yI7naMXSZSWPfZ QBtxNy/QCcsbZvozg3rpST/ppDxjWPnjc83CeprjBh8EIKLhC3FBidD+FxPCzNguf267wcYZF zys8CZqMdQv9s+ugXxv7AQ8i/jlX2PCfE5moc6iFmQQ5vRwaNY0AdE0WkrN8vrR1mWh0NOCE5 94N9PghiKLGxyf7FBgp6aMsL3n8l8WeDcNfN16TH3zNfWF2yttKeWbiokjuyJQ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:48:15 -0000 > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:52 AM > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "Frosku" , "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > Christopher Dimech via Gcc : > > The commercial use of free software is our hope, not our fear. When p= eople > > at IBM began to come to free software, wanting to recommend it and use= it, > > and maybe distribute it themselves or encourage other people to distri= bute > > it for them, we did not criticise them for not being non-profit virtuo= us > > enough, or said "we are suspicious of you", let alone threatening them= . > > Actually, some of us did *exactly* those things late in the last century= . When I worked in ocean acoustics, everything was kept secret. Yet russian oceanographers (e.g. Leonid Brekhovshkikh who was working in the Sea Japan= ) had themselves figured out the same phenomena independently at around the same time. > One of the challenges I faced in my early famous years was persuading > the hacker culture as a whole to treat the profit-centered parts of the > economy as allies rather than enemies. > > I won't say that a *majority* of us were resistent to this, but I > did have to work hard on the problem for a while, between 1997 > and about 2003. About ten years ago, free software was chosen as the operating system of the International Space Station. Things have been changing, but I agree that there is much work to be done. Our approach has been a noticeable proposition, not just to us - though we understand why it is socially and politically desirable that the world works this way. > -- > Eric S. Raymond > > >