From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2052E3857C67 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:13:17 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 2052E3857C67 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs09.server.lan [172.19.170.177]) (via HTTP); Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:13:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: iant@google.com Cc: chris.punches@silogroup.org, GCC Development Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:13:14 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:TTjntVmv2FI2aZbnSI1V34EbDKDwnFfoFStKdJPuwhB3q3AaF/4LyK5ZOQkZThNGAFL5v f5F17bm38s0CIjNrAEcio80RIUQ05t6k3nA+4NmITx5IN0s/ND4cMglpnhkXwv0hnE0PE2cSBlDd iiTz74eKU6lvxEa6/vzTmUeJ9SYEde47zvS4W0Tm4uG/NevGXhWQzcOp4k/N3k4xsA6PpAQ+DZOH U0jOuyfTZTwlO6uJzjT1lfE395lY+HLtSORqZIH3nGwNfK+aqfzvsgATKcVYvPTHPr9vaEZwwof4 hA= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:yQWbQQHpPrc=:CFpD1s6wKtNBPQD1MbBm4h ANB1lOSD1pr2CgG6zCRMbfkW+QLJkg6XDHst0Y1ycKD1wBbks8JyH1Hg9KczHjLMFHsnhK0wL h98zW/c65MmiCf6Gy3F0aTqctv+ACo1b4WBD9udXXnbDLMy41ukQ4vBxSo1Ke+EnzqHIMVGPD Xe+RfpsFjcx8WrilkBdv8wZDBIChMH/Eigh6sE6egMuyAttP7oTzxNrur1xhlutzrFgMhE/el uMdZzU9irTTlBXlhxUY2v2nUYcFslD3+ufbnX+QHboSbDeDRKljlV88K8THniDodv2NfN2ymI 6OBSjwpT0OKTZcAhLBb6Ib3sKN5ms7y32YFrk7GGwOeeSrO885Blii1HRSpEv8A5lW8QRX5pS WToqHp2wt/gYESAWjZGJaE2TIycEik4wXrIuA9u80VAzjeoKa4irXcFCv739iuH969wqX4r4F HWnYrXbYE6W8xwPyOEh+dbCCd4xLU0kye9B1dQQquHtotemTiJFdxtOkQTVtWdfbCPrI057Et 3JRc5M8ZcJ5Fl1t2s7sevwlz4c2S18fSCvs5L03aC5VzLsOF+D1xXkrUnEkeC1N1z1Cr9lYxz z1ipfaIPC6V5nODiv2DWewbmU/60jkhtNXb3ButeDJrjONZNYOLG9RYWyI41mKBfBbKXd/gaD zUt+7RsgyPAjjcGC4Ap/AiPQo1eWux9pn2np9ZJk0TgGIg7bdLjvnhWzdHXC8AadnNhierLaa sWjNIAaSSrYfJTM+SgcWCRmONbFf0OAr7qwGWJLds89NJUyRHqbzOuwq5dhSpyY4LjLbRfJJW RZre5aTg2mF0bkGXwOCeH4VR59ZFcyUNTTYbKus9Q/rfIMOBW5Y4b1EIpQhpy4E0uI/1XNZ2B gLBesgcZTEIumyD5cOdDkbi8iRMo1NGp/ML2Ty11JcuwXS1jTsVi4Uy7l53zQj Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:13:18 -0000 > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 at 8:51 AM > From: "Ian Lance Taylor via Gcc" > To: chris.punches@silogroup.org > Cc: "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 1:26 PM Chris Punches via Gcc = wrote: > > > > Every single proponent of this argument that I have seen so far is > > employed by one of the same 5 companies and "really isn't doing it on > > behalf of my company I swear". > > > > Why is it almost exclusively that specific crowd saying it here, then? > > For better or for worse, since the early '90s the majority of people > who do serious work on GCC have been hired by companies that want to > do serious work on GCC. After all, it's a win-win: the company gets > work done, the GCC programmer gets well paid. The effect is that most > of the major GCC contributors work for a relatively small number of > companies. There are of course many exceptions, but that is the > general rule. > > Ian Such contributions are valued, and companies where talent is allowed to fl= ow towards the public is commendable, even for those with a history of exploi= tation. Many of us pay their taxes, not because we see crowds of people sent to ja= il. But because spontaneous compliance is the way for things to work. That's = what I hope for.