From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32B4B3850437 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:10:45 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 32B4B3850437 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs07.server.lan [172.19.170.175]) (via HTTP); Tue, 30 Mar 2021 19:10:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Martin Jambor Cc: Giacomo Tesio , GCC Development Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 19:10:42 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20210330151656.00007e20@tesio.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: 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> Cc: "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee > > Dear Giacomo, >=20 > On Tue, Mar 30 2021, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > > Hi Nathan and hello everybody, > > > > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:02:30 -0400 Nathan Sidwell wrote: > > > >> The USA is not the world and the SC is not the US government=2E For > >> those in the USA, the (inapplicable) first amendment provides 5 > >> rights, including showing an unwelcome guest the door=2E [=2E=2E=2E] > >> > >> If we fail to do so, it will continue to be harder and harder to > >> attract new talent to GCC development=2E > > > > I do not know if I qualify to speak here because I'm Italian and > > I ported GCC 9=2E2=2E0 to Jehanne (a Plan 9 fork, see > > http://jehanne=2Eio/2021/01/06/gcc_on_jehanne=2Ehtml), but due to the > > pandemic I wasn't able to align it with the new developments and > > contribute the port upstream=2E Also, I have no idea if you would be > > interested in running GCC on a Plan 9 fork and thus accept my > > contribution=2E > > > > > > Yet, after a careful read of this thread I realized that I might > > be considered the kind of "new talent" Nathan is talking about=2E > > > > So here is my perspective on this topic, "in the hope it helps but > > without any warranty"=2E :-D > > > > > > I do not share many of Stallman's opinions (we are VERY different), bu= t > > when I write free software and contribute to a free software community= , > > what I want is long term assurances about one and only one topic: that > > the software will stay free as in freedom, as a common good for the > > whole humanity=2E > > > > As of today, GPLv3 is the legal tool that best suit this goal=2E > > I don't think it's perfect in this regards, but that's another story= =2E >=20 > Nobody suggested that GCC would be relicensed and certainly not to a > non-free license=2E If you decide to contribute your port upstream, it > will be safe with us, regardless of who will or will not be on the > steering committee or running the FSF=2E Just read the copyright > assignment text that you have singed or would need to sign to contribute > and look for FSF obligations as the license holder there=2E >=20 > > As an Italian I'm having a hard time trying to follow your reasoning > > about Stallman being a problem to attract new talents=2E >=20 > I do not believe that being European or Italian has anything to do with > it=2E I am European, I understand and agree with everything Nathan wrote > and apparently I am not the only one=2E >=20 > The ability to see and stand up to consistent wrongdoing is universal > and every human of every nationality posses it=2E Unfortunately, all > people are also able to close their eyes and ears and ignore mistreatmen= t > when they are not the victims and when their friend or their favorite > public figure is the perpetrator=2E There is absolutely nothing America= n > or European about either=2E Young socialists have been getting organized on colleges campuses=20 with these extreme ideas not only in the United States=2E France, for instance has been harbouring a socialist model we should all dread=2E France was once a role model for what big government can do for its people=2E But it has become an embarrassing example since =E2=80=9CThe Gil= ets Jaunes=E2=80=9D took to the streets to demonstrate against the insane amou= nt of taxes they pay=2E These guys aren=E2=80=99t upper class=2E They are the= people who had supported the policies that are inevitable when you have the government providing so many services and involved so deeply in so much of the economy=2E All those people in America who currently fall for the socialism soup that that Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders are selling need to realize that if their dream came to pass, they, not the rich =E2=80=93 not the bankers and= politicians =E2=80=93 will be ones suffering the most from the high taxes, high unempl= oyment, and slow growth that go hand in hand with the level of public spending they wa= nt=2E > Sincerely, >=20 > Martin >