From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43A283858002 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:14:05 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 43A283858002 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs07.server.lan [172.19.170.175]) (via HTTP); Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:13:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Joseph Myers Cc: JeanHeyd Meneide , GCC Development , Nathan Sidwell Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:13:58 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20210330151656.00007e20@tesio.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:bdAtbFq9Pl3E7+0UojYXW0e34JDewj/HMexeoc91aWA+APv8mDAzBIbZbSOj3omlBNqDS CXUokIBD+2wd/6LB3Q9EFGtIfAA5kxABQONDBWMdxyA3hfCkG8Rl4POAHLq3HnRapVK9vK3BzKfq eSgpUzxfdZV+83RWrNd5EuiGDYUaDAMsKnlH5IULBFtj0oM5ytURYBNB84K4phIPt2KxArz+PDOp 6wet2vgyhHhnLrZnLfNviiELCkzk36g6jHXikJGVwNLBxAfJslxOxATP+WBFBNDD2DfQOb67tr3S Ag= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2aA10Ki9xyE=:MtHrD2ZcOeAsbcohyKj271 11HUnuimQNJ9aUpGNJQITSg/N5QqzA/p1GAhU1Pb+3PLA+57BoC1/WOMaTR7X0SWtv+smNoP0 XWDyn2/Nzi2Dy+rP2+uVK8m4XX9osspzKyMVfpL8w7QoETnTQdsXvTLnD/ieB5WSjtoB/pVjc 8QHA4il2w6RwyZ6zLADcUalIM8fgEv/h42D9UQxwswLIUxWp9M67FDy5G8WiVmFBkVZYiAE75 LgH59oKNgldvGv8nNNjCl8CzD6V+j734O5o7Olq72Q9dP2aq/s+CwtpQdJZiao8D2dyxtGWnX Mni3noaQKTBOks3YWRBwqsAU07FkgqNNpSMVDmBnNoVKoq1cIP6lwa+w407uga4goTXv4vG30 t9SRWnWaDmTR2AVv4N0KbWS/lTJa5LFrKOU/tXpRYBiKPvCNpSv7LHGCjHrdBO8CEIyzIAFBN yJw6GbT1zt5wjd20GJBGBo+QE7PUw/TaYUenc/Z/gKdLGfqhHt8vq6rGvqWqTEKLaek7s73yX mMAKohSQ/KqS2aPjzJy2VG9pFNfF4wujhxpfD2IAJkUP59QT6//ftQyJJQ+/MLi6jADRF6QqB i2nON5IYTQo/F4r9vWQCAwOcePp994vE9urwkSrYu5DGzSzvOa2w3dMykM6IgfBOEIz9rr2FI SGqKqIHj+ifHmNd8y62vDmsJnsecdA8V6+K4czB8q+XFplY299sWC2Bxg23QkIRRmkV6J88DV rQq9xajmiax96XQX7ugHyNqIPAKrE+AnQET/IXxMvvlu0AqqaXus6QzbKevJJ0bxcrQUgezVq tODIbv2K8zSGljUQ7Eg/dReJmbPFNcsZDOEnKeJ9GMaPkaPrGQiGBVk3D4DNeFvQt+nYLk/Oj gu1oVO02bWEn1g/jwSQgAGtxkMP93PzL9zAMMBQYYKxjBuvyqZGxs1uwWFOyaQ X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:14:07 -0000 > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:45 AM > From: "Joseph Myers" > To: "JeanHeyd Meneide" > Cc: "GCC Development" , "Nathan Sidwell" > Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee > > On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, JeanHeyd Meneide via Gcc wrote: >=20 > > So, it boils down to this for me: either GCC is a place where all > > contributions are welcome, or GCC is a place of hypocrisy, where > > contributions are welcome except when Stallman (or someone else in a > > position of power) lobbies a non-technical, non-factual argument > > against you and jumps from their high tower to slam down on > > rank-and-file contributors and participants=2E You cannot have it both > > ways=2E >=20 > All contributions are welcome=2E One of the key functions of the SC is= =20 > actually saying no to RMS=2E >=20 > Central FSF or GNU project infrastructure is not used in developing GCC;= =20 > gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg is entirely independent of central FSF or GNU infrastruc= ture=20 > such as savannah=2E So RMS has no control over policies applied to GCC= =20 > mailing lists, and any influence he might apply to the moderation of lis= ts=20 > hosted on lists=2Egnu=2Eorg does not apply here=2E (Although GCC releas= es are=20 > uploaded to ftp=2Egnu=2Eorg, which is central GNU infrastructure, they a= re=20 > also available at https://gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg/pub/gcc/releases/ =2E) He has= an=20 > ordinary restricted user account on gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg giving the same acce= ss to=20 > push commits as most committers; he does not have shell or administrativ= e=20 > access=2E People are inflating the power or control he actually has=2E I have to sa= y that at no time has Stallman dictated on any of my work=2E Unlike the ani= mosity that has been demonstrated by Ludovic Court=C3=A8s in October 2019, by sen= ding a message disguised to look like an official Gnu Directive to Gnu Maintain= ers=2E A fashionable tool for excommunicating those he find problematic due to th= eir pesky different points of view=2E =20 =20 > --=20 > Joseph S=2E Myers > joseph@codesourcery=2Ecom >