From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8525D3844031 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:21:08 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 8525D3844031 X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs01.server.lan [172.19.170.58]) (via HTTP); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:21:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: Frosku Cc: Aaron Gyes , gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:21:00 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <96e9ac78-02d1-5963-00e8-374e8491a0c0@gmail.com> <280FF748-4902-4180-8CB6-B1EB02A1C22B@icloud.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: 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, gcc@gcc=2Egnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers > > On Sat Apr 17, 2021 at 10:04 AM BST, Aaron Gyes via Gcc wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2021, at 1:36 AM, Frosku wrote: > > > I feel imposed upon when, as a volunteer, I'm expected to submit not= just > > > my volunteered time but all of my time in every venue to your cultur= al > > > norms=2E This is not normal=2E Just because some of you are paid ver= y nice > > > salaries to hack on free software doesn't mean all of us are=2E > > > > I don=E2=80=99t make a dime=2E I find it hard to imagine it would take= you > > all of your time not to act like an asshole=2E Nobody has even > > asserted professionalism should be required of professionals=2E > > > > Yet you seem extremely uncomfortable with some bare minimum standards= =2E > > > > I assumed as a technical, somewhat obsessive person, you have already > > Googled =E2=80=9Cmicroagressions=E2=80=9D, imagined what they would be= in the > > context > > of a major open source project, and what in-group and out-groups exist > > in > > this context, then came to some kind of conclusion that explains your > > hostility=2E >=20 > Aaron, >=20 > If you could kindly refrain from making repeated character attacks and > trying to imply that because I disagree with you on policy I must be > some kind of knuckle-dragging bigot, that would be a really good start > to having a productive discussion=2E Perhaps instead of talking about > whether I'm "obsessive", want to "act like an asshole", etc we can > pretend we've been through that tiring exercise and discuss substance=2E >=20 > My "hostility" to codes of conduct is that I have little confidence that > they would be applied evenly (in which case, the way you've spoken to me > thus far would surely not be considered proper conduct as you've taken > little time to drop to the level of ad hominem attacks and implications) > and would instead be used as a battering ram against people who are a) > neurodivergent and struggle with social norms or b) are from different > cultures which are more direct in communication style=2E >=20 > It's all well and good to talk the talk of diversity and inclusion, but > it seems to me that what's actually achieved is locking out some of the > most isolated and vulnerable people -- who have found a home in our > community -- in order to make some of the most privileged people in > society more comfortable=2E *That* is the source of my hostility to what > I believe is for the most part a noble but misguided proposal=2E There are times where *not to act* is the solution=2E If the United State= s and the Soviet Union acted upon aggressiveness by the other during tho las= t century, the global ecosystem would have been wiped out=2E Human developm= ent and progress brought us the capability for complete annihilation=2E More like "Star Wars" than "Star Trek"=2E More like 1984 and a Utopia=2E=20 =20 > >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D= > 1 } 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