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From: Jason Merrill <jason@redhat.com>
To: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>, Mike Stump <mrs@apple.com>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: __attribute__((cleanup(function)) versus try/finally
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:00:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wvlof24rvuq.fsf@prospero.boston.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1052860011.16075.388.camel@doubledemon.codesourcery.com> (Mark Mitchell's message of "13 May 2003 14:06:50 -0700")

On 13 May 2003 14:06:50 -0700, Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com> wrote:

> I'd also still prefer to see a solution that was maximally circumspect;
> rather than approach this from a "what is the most elegant language
> design?" point of view, I'd prefer a "what is the absolute minimal
> feature needed to implement this POSIX requirement?" point of view.
>
> That leads me towards __builtin_pthread_cleanup_push.  

I think this is the core of the disagreement, and it seems like a
philosophical difference which can't really be addressed with technical
arguments.  Perhaps this is a matter for the steering committee, after all.

Basically, the choice is between a general language extension and a
specific compiler hook.

> For now, I'd much rather we just do as little as possible in the
> compiler, and I'd also rather that we encourage people who really want
> exceptions to use a language that has them.  We do ourselves a
> disservice if we implicitly perpetuate the myth that using the C subset
> of C++ is somehow worse than just using "straight" C.

But try/finally doesn't provide exceptions.  It provides a way of making
cleanups explicit, which in turn provides exception safety.  People who
really want exceptions would still need to use a language that have them.

try/finally is a useful construct even in the absence of exceptions; it
provides a structured alternative to "goto cleanup_and_return;".

> In any case, there are some semantics to be defined; if a cleanup throws
> an exception, what happens?  (You can't call std::terminate in a pure C
> program.)

A C++ exception carries a pointer to terminate; we could generalize that.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-05-15 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.BSF.4.55.0305061457450.57349@acrux.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
     [not found] ` <1052245742.2583.315.camel@doubledemon.codesourcery.com>
     [not found]   ` <wvlissnc2e3.fsf@prospero.boston.redhat.com>
     [not found]     ` <1052249890.31850.338.camel@doubledemon.codesourcery.com>
2003-05-06 21:04       ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-06 21:24         ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-07 21:21           ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-07 22:18             ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-07 23:01               ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-08 12:05               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-05-09  5:46               ` Kai Henningsen
2003-05-06 21:52         ` Anthony Green
2003-05-08 17:44         ` Mike Stump
2003-05-08 17:45           ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-08 18:40             ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-08 19:06               ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-05-08 19:47                 ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-08 20:19                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-05-08 21:18                   ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-13 21:10                     ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-13 21:25                       ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-13 21:41                         ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-13 22:16                           ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-13 21:31                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-05-15 17:00                       ` Jason Merrill [this message]
2003-05-15 17:23                         ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-09 19:41                   ` Kai Henningsen
2003-05-08 19:37               ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-07  0:14   ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-07  2:32     ` Mark Mitchell
2003-05-13 21:33 Richard Kenner
2003-05-13 22:11 ` Richard Henderson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-09  9:54 Ranjit Mathew
2003-05-09 10:16 ` Andrew Haley
2003-05-09 12:08   ` Fergus Henderson
2003-05-09 12:49   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-05-09  9:23 Ranjit Mathew
2003-05-09  9:31 ` Andrew Haley
2003-05-08  7:49 Ranjit Mathew
2003-05-08 21:21 ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-07 10:18 Ranjit Mathew
2003-05-07 13:54 ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-07 18:23 ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-08 18:02 ` Mike Stump
2003-05-06 19:56 Jason Merrill
2003-05-08 11:59 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-05-08 15:02   ` Jason Merrill
2003-05-08 18:30 ` Mike Stump
2003-05-08 20:49   ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-08 22:29     ` Mike Stump
2003-05-13  0:07       ` Geoff Keating
2003-05-13 21:27         ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-14  1:14           ` Geoff Keating
2003-05-14  7:41             ` Richard Henderson
2003-05-14 21:11               ` Geoff Keating
2003-05-14 22:20                 ` Richard Henderson

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