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From: Joel Brobecker <brobecker@adacore.com>
To: Gary Benson <gbenson@redhat.com>
Cc: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>,
	Stan Shebs <stanshebs@earthlink.net>,
	gdb-patches@sourceware.org, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	Mark Kettenis <mark.kettenis@xs4all.nl>,
	Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Demangler crash handler
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:09:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140522130855.GS22822@adacore.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140522125617.GB15598@blade.nx>

> > Having been on the receiving end of this kind of logic, I agree
> > with Tom - quite strongly too, in fact. As a user, I do not want
> > to be held hostage, especially when there is no workaround. If
> > the proposed solution brings no noticeable harm for our users
> > in the situation where things are working as expected, I think
> > we should consider it. And to help mitigating the fears that
> > we would be hiding bugs, we can perhaps find a middle-ground;
> > for instance, making sure that we print a really verbose error
> > message.
> 
> I'm definitely not trying to hide bugs; if anything I'm trying to
> make them more reportable.  FWIW users would see this:

Sorry, Gary. You're right. I should have said something like
"reducing the likeliness of getting bugs fixed because the pressure
to get them fixed would be less".

> The point is to make it easier for users to file straightforward bug
> reports *with reproducers* rather than the opaque "GDB crashed at
> startup" bugs we've been getting at the moment that people (by which
> I mean Keith) have had to spend time triaging.  And, at the same time,
> for the user to have the option to attempt to continue using GDB to
> debug their program.  I realise that people may feel that the user
> *should* then fix GDB, but not everyone has the time or the ability
> or the inclination.  I don't want the workaround for this to become
> "try LLDB".

I think that the fact that this makes it easier for the user to
report the problem is also another excellent point in favor of
the suggested solution.

-- 
Joel

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-22 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-09 10:07 Gary Benson
2014-05-09 10:09 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Gary Benson
2014-05-09 10:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] " Gary Benson
2014-05-09 11:20 ` [PATCH 0/2] " Mark Kettenis
2014-05-09 15:33   ` Gary Benson
2014-05-11  5:17     ` Doug Evans
2014-05-13 10:20       ` Gary Benson
2014-05-13 19:29         ` Tom Tromey
2014-05-14 13:07           ` Gary Benson
2014-05-13 19:39         ` Tom Tromey
2014-05-14  9:15           ` Gary Benson
2014-05-11 20:23     ` Mark Kettenis
2014-05-13 10:21       ` Gary Benson
2014-05-13 16:05         ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-15 13:24           ` Gary Benson
2014-05-15 14:07             ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-15 14:28               ` Gary Benson
2014-05-15 15:25                 ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-16 11:06             ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-10 20:55   ` Florian Weimer
2014-05-11  5:10     ` Doug Evans
2014-05-13 10:22     ` Gary Benson
2014-05-13 18:22       ` Florian Weimer
2014-05-13 18:42         ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-13 19:16           ` Gary Benson
2014-05-13 19:19             ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-14  9:11               ` Gary Benson
2014-05-13 19:20           ` Florian Weimer
2014-05-13 19:22             ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-13 19:22         ` Gary Benson
2014-05-13 19:36           ` Tom Tromey
2014-05-14  9:13             ` Gary Benson
2014-05-14 14:18     ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-14 16:08       ` Andrew Burgess
2014-05-14 18:32         ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-15 13:25           ` Gary Benson
2014-05-15 16:01             ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-15 13:27       ` Gary Benson
2014-05-20 17:05       ` Tom Tromey
2014-05-20 18:40         ` Stan Shebs
2014-05-20 19:36           ` Tom Tromey
2014-05-20 20:23             ` Joel Brobecker
2014-05-22 12:56               ` Gary Benson
2014-05-22 13:09                 ` Joel Brobecker [this message]
2014-05-22 14:13                 ` Pedro Alves
2014-05-22 15:57                   ` Gary Benson
2014-05-22 13:18           ` Gary Benson
2014-05-22 14:09         ` Gary Benson
2014-05-22 14:40           ` Mark Kettenis
2014-05-22 20:42             ` Gary Benson

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