From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19591 invoked by alias); 23 Mar 2015 12:46:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gdb-patches-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-patches-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 19562 invoked by uid 89); 23 Mar 2015 12:46:07 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-User: qpsmtpd, 2 recipients X-HELO: rock.gnat.com Received: from rock.gnat.com (HELO rock.gnat.com) (205.232.38.15) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:46:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by filtered-rock.gnat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088E511634B; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rock.gnat.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rock.gnat.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id iChX8utJm39E; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from joel.gnat.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rock.gnat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83DB11634A; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by joel.gnat.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3394240EAD; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 05:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:46:00 -0000 From: Joel Brobecker To: gdb-patches@sourceware.org Cc: Binutils , Doug Evans Subject: Re: [PATCH] update automake version to 1.11.6 Message-ID: <20150323124600.GC5438@adacore.com> References: <20150311094134.GE9455@vapier> <1426310999-13103-1-git-send-email-vapier@gentoo.org> <20150319120631.GB4884@adacore.com> <20150319230427.GI4128@vapier> <20150321195953.GA24181@vapier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SW-Source: 2015-03/txt/msg00715.txt.bz2 > > i don't have a problem with requiring people to use the same exact > version. > > i do think that requiring them to build/install by hand is > > unreasonable. it's pretty rare (by design) for projects to do this > > sort of thing (commit the generated autotools), so it's pretty rare > > for this to be an issue, so it's pretty rare for people to be > > required to manage this. it's a throw back to pre-distro days when > > people were used to building/install software themselves, and it's > > unnecessary friction for new people to get into the development > > process today. death by a thousand cuts and all that. > > It's only a barrier for people who need to change the configure.ac or > Makefile.am files, which is not most developers. Agreed. Also, I don't think that building autoconf and automake once every few years, and then using that to generate the files is really that much of a barrier. In the meantime, it allows us to avoid the noise you get when slightly different versions generate slightly different code. I personally do verify the changes in the configure files, for instance, and ask myself whether each hunk I see makes sense to me or not. Seeing unrelated changes because others used a different version makes that process a little harder (and, most of the time, I'll just start over, and push a patch that first regenerates the file). -- Joel