From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.marcansoft.com (marcansoft.com [212.63.210.85]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2BD23858C74 for ; Tue, 2 May 2023 06:55:27 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org E2BD23858C74 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=marcan.st Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=marcan.st Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: marcan@marcan.st) by mail.marcansoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C00B426D8; Tue, 2 May 2023 06:55:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marcan.st; s=default; t=1683010525; bh=Uk93pIAjNK9nhg4L7Ek/u8VcIKEup8d89FoYanCQZnw=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=KOc+Iy4tUH+B6f/laRyNKSDD2H8TcfvDTWW4NNHRX5GM2fj6zbd8fQpsECcfBNq3Z V9p75ZEO/sERciY8Rng9ndYzhyATzQ4/3Ynb7BvP+TZjYyq2FPml+kaZjptp8Z8Ips jN680MepK6uFOY9XlUfeFtXGjNl5ikyCiBWbCpFBaHoZJTM1er1XOzZtNfUx35ormE +y+Vn8X+m3xVhfgIgF9kmbEGUBZu5/uXZMVCpgyk2t0lWJcSGiZxuVzHKWJjh0doMQ 1RxBuYk8czM27W+TJhJWmz5wYN0zx2H41d3sZuOQl6cecRvMHO7FV3whhY1o0ERcq1 edgXcyfQU7vAw== Message-ID: <73ef119f-396e-f0cd-ad5b-b4a8e50783cc@marcan.st> Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 15:55:20 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.0 Subject: Re: GDB 13.2 and GDB 14 releases... To: Sam James , Joel Brobecker Cc: Simon Marchi , gdb-patches@sourceware.org References: <945cb511-3bd0-7004-caa7-9f0deb76e766@simark.ca> <87lei8w04k.fsf@gentoo.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Hector Martin In-Reply-To: <87lei8w04k.fsf@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 02/05/2023 00.15, Sam James wrote: > > Joel Brobecker via Gdb-patches writes: > >> Hi Simon, >> >>> IMO, it's better to make regular releases than waiting to have a certain >>> amount of changes. The changes currently in master might not look >>> important to me, but maybe someone else is eagerly waiting for a >>> specific fix or feature to be officially released. >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. That makes sense too. Do people want us >> to switch to this kind of approach? > > Yeah, I'd definitely appreciate it for Gentoo. In fact, when you sent > the first email in this thread, I'd just been wondering if I should ask > about a point release at least. > > Distros in general don't need a release to be action-packed (crammed > full of features), it's better that we get bug fixes out faster and > not have to worry about cherry-picking ourselves. It also makes > debugging any regressions a lot easier if the delta is a bit smaller ;) > > I've CC'd marcan as well because he recently had some frustration > working on Asahi Linux when it turned out something had been fixed in > master a good while ago but hadn't propagated into a release. Yup. The state of affairs on Apple machines right now is that I am learning lldb, because gdb is completely broken and crashes immediately on `run`. This was a 13.1 regression that was fixed upstream a month ago, but there has been no point fix release since then. I don't think it's really reasonable to expect downstream distros to patch software to make it work *at all*. Stuff like this should trigger a point bugfix release. - Hector