Re: [BuildBot] Notifications disabled for Debian-s390x-* and Fedora-ppc64*-* builders

[David Edelsohn <dje.gcc@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Yao Qi <qiyaoltc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:34 PM, David Edelsohn <dje.gcc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> But the irony in your message should not be ignored.  You implicitly
>> express that the buildbots are ignored, except possibly x86 and Try
>> Builds on x86, while you proceed to ask for additional participation.
>
> How do you get such implicit message?  That is your bias.  We still have
> aarch64 and aarch32 buildslaves, they are quite stable, and catches
> some build failures with g++ 4.8 and regressions.
>
> These builders are disabled because they are useless.  Sergio asks for
> participation to make these builders useful.  If no one wants to make these
> builders better, or cares about them, it is reasonable to disable them.  It
> is equivalent to code/feature/port deprecation, if nobody maintains the
> code/feature/port, we'll deprecate it.
>
>> This is fundamentally inconsistent.  Actions speak louder than words
>> and this demonstrates the priorities of the GDB community.
>
> I don't see the inconsistency here.  We need more participation or contribution
> to make these builders more useful, it is simple, isn't?

The buildbots are the responsibility of both the organization
providing the servers and the community. No one from the community
noticed anything wrong with the s390x debian buildbot for months. And
no one said: "Hey, it looks like something is wrong with this
buildbot, can the s390x community take a look?"  The message was: "The
warning messages from the buildbot are annoying, so we're disabling
them."

ARM is running their own CI. If they are the ones noticing the
problems and reporting the problems from the buildbot, they don't need
a public buildbot infrastructure to accomplish that.

It's not a good message to ask companies to contribute more resources
while rationalizing why the current resources are ignored or
under-utilized.  The GDB community apparently is overwhelmed by the
current resources, so additional resources would not help.

Thanks, David