From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27252 invoked by alias); 10 Jun 2003 00:33:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gdb-help@sources.redhat.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-owner@sources.redhat.com Received: (qmail 27003 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2003 00:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO piper.synopsys.com) (204.176.21.194) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2003 00:33:05 -0000 Received: (from jbuck@localhost) by piper.synopsys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5A0WpZ20742; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:32:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:33:00 -0000 From: Joe Buck To: DJ Delorie Cc: aoliva@redhat.com, cgf@redhat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sources.redhat.com, gdb@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: Updating to Autoconf 2.5x Message-ID: <20030609173251.A20668@synopsys.com> References: <87of17t2j4.fsf@egil.codesourcery.com> <3EE4F6AD.7060300@redhat.com> <20030609210940.GA15597@redhat.com> <20030609163836.A20345@synopsys.com> <200306092345.h59Nj3Tf021127@envy.delorie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200306092345.h59Nj3Tf021127@envy.delorie.com>; from dj@delorie.com on Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 07:45:03PM -0400 X-SW-Source: 2003-06/txt/msg00134.txt.bz2 I wrote: > > So first Christopher objects to a list having @codesourcery.com at > > the end, and now Alexandre wants @redhat.com at the end? Thanks to > > both companies for giving us so much free software work, but let's > > avoid any company conflicts by avoiding use of either company's > > domain as much as we can, OK? To do otherwise will just confuse > > people into thinking that something is a single-company effort, when > > it is not. On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 07:45:03PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > Well, fair is fair. You want a list on gcc.gnu.org for a project that > involves more non-gcc projects than gcc projects. Nowhere did I say that (that I wanted the name to be @gcc.gnu.org). My real preference would be that we'd go to a scheme like @tool.gnu.org for each tool, and use @gnu.org lists for common infrastructure. > Let's avoid any > project conflicts by avoiding project names in the mailing list as > much as we can, ok? To do otherwise will just confuse people into > thinking that something is a single-project effort, when it is not. There are problems with either choice of name. > Most of the projects involved in this switch happen to be hosted on > sources.redhat.com, so it makes sense to put the mailing list there. > Heck, even gcc itself is hosted on sources.redhat.com. No kidding. We fought over that with Stallman for about a year, and only managed to put egcs and GCC together again by agreeing to thoroughly hide that fact (the choice was doing it that way or using GNU's development machines, which are better now but that were really screwed up in the 98-99 time frame). Now, if the folks at CodeSourcery really don't care that you slap the Red Hat name on one more thing, I would withdraw my objection TEMPORARILY. But I'd really like for the projects that develop code that belongs to the FSF use neutral names. This is not an attack on Red Hat; after all, when we were discussing starting a project that eventually became egcs; it was folks at Cygnus who asked me to join on the basis that I would play a neutral referee role, to avoid criticisms that Cygnus was just taking over. I deeply respect the Cygnus/Red Hat folks for working that way. So that's what I'm doing right now. Now, if Zack and Mark want to tell me it's no big deal, I'll back off for the time being: we probably can't solve this issue satisfactorily in the very short term. But uses of the "sources.redhat.com" name in GNU should *decrease* with time, not increase.