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[165.120.118.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e8sm1440067edq.77.2021.03.18.02.31.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 18 Mar 2021 02:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:31:47 +0000 From: Andrew Burgess To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Luis Machado , gdb@sourceware.org Subject: Re: sim: replacing ChangeLog files with online git logs Message-ID: <20210318093147.GC5520@embecosm.com> References: <2012fb21-38f2-3d1c-62c8-52d94d19e243@linaro.org> <83pmzxdegd.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8fhddg3.fsf@gnu.org> <18f4f0e2-0a35-a6c5-1886-943f81f817fd@linaro.org> <83mtv1dbzr.fsf@gnu.org> <83im5pdao2.fsf@gnu.org> <83ft0td5ve.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83ft0td5ve.fsf@gnu.org> X-Operating-System: Linux/5.8.13-100.fc31.x86_64 (x86_64) X-Uptime: 09:28:50 up 6 days, 16:40, X-Editor: GNU Emacs [ http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs ] X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:31:51 -0000 * Eli Zaretskii via Gdb [2021-03-17 19:53:09 +0200]: > > Cc: gdb@sourceware.org, Mike Frysinger > > From: Luis Machado > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:24:27 -0300 > > > > > Well, if that's what the majority here wants, then so be it. > > > > That's what we should assess. From chatting with other active GDB > > developers, my feeling is that most of us want to drop the process of > > having to write ChangeLog entries manually. But we tend to keep quiet > > and carry on doing it. > > I didn't start this discussion, mind you. > > > > (The importance of having the list of modified symbols in the log is > > > that then one doesn't need advanced Git commands to find out which > > > changes modified a given function and why.) > > > > > > > I understand the concern about git. I used to find git a bit too cryptic > > too, but using it daily has made that better. > > > > Now git log/git blame shows very useful information when I'm looking for > > specific changes from a commit, and I rarely need to go through > > ChangeLogs other than to find commits that touched a particular > > function/variable. > > IME "git log" and "git blame" have shortcomings when used for > forensics, and having a ChangeLog-style list of changes helps overcome > that in many important use cases. Hi Eli, I'd love to hear more about these many important use cases as this might help me improve my workflow. I can't recall ever referring to the ChangeLogs to help track down a bug, so I'm worried I might be missing out on some excellent techniques here. I'm always keen to learn! Thanks, Andrew