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[165.120.118.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r25sm12395880edv.78.2021.03.23.04.06.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 04:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:06:38 +0000 From: Andrew Burgess To: gdb@sourceware.org, Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: sim: replacing ChangeLog files with online git logs Message-ID: <20210323110638.GA6592@embecosm.com> References: <83ft0zjys1.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfarhwjq.fsf@gnu.org> <83eegjhuuq.fsf@gnu.org> <8335wyj461.fsf@gnu.org> <83tup9disi.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux/5.8.13-100.fc31.x86_64 (x86_64) X-Uptime: 11:04:06 up 11 days, 18:15, X-Editor: GNU Emacs [ http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs ] X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:06:42 -0000 * Mike Frysinger [2021-03-23 01:05:52 -0400]: > On 17 Mar 2021 15:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Mike Frysinger > > > > That's a different conclusions. You asked what people are doing with > > > > the ChangeLogs, not whether it was mandatory to keep them. > > > > > > that's fair. my point/goal was that if there aren't requirements for it, > > > and there isn't a compelling use case for keeping them, then the easiest > > > thing is to do nothing and delete them. > > > > > > it seems that there isn't a requirement -> > > > > Indeed, there's no mandatory requirement to keep the files, not > > anymore. > > > > > i'm skeptical that the logs add value as anyone who is going to contribute > > > by diving into the source history would be online w/git access -> > > > we punt the logs and stop wasting lots of developer time. > > > > I'm not sure I agree with your skepticism. And OTOH, producing the > > ChangeLog from Git logs takes mere seconds and wastes no development > > time. So I think on balance there's very little price to pay for > > something that some people may value. Why refuse to pay that small > > price and humor those few people? > > Andrew: you OK with me merging my patches ? > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174894.html > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174895.html > > i feel like we can & should make progress here: generating the files > for release allows us to stop hand writing these entirely. we can > then spend time debating the format (or whether to generate them) and > not spend any time on hand writing. Sure, if that's what you want, go for it. I still don't see/understand the value of the auto-generated files, but I'm coming to the conclusion that I might never understand. Thanks, Andrew