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From: Andrew Cagney <ac131313@redhat.com>
To: Jim Blandy <jimb@redhat.com>
Cc: gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [maint] The GDB maintenance process
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:14:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E53AE7B.4090401@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vt2r8a53pia.fsf@zenia.red-bean.com>

> ac131313@redhat.com (Andrew Cagney) writes:
> 
>> > Some noticeable differences between these two models:
>> >   - In the GCC model, more people are able/likely to check in patches which
>> >     break things.
>> >   - But in the GCC model, more people are able/likely to check in patches to
>> >     fix it afterwards.
> 
>> 
>> (ROFL.)
>> 
>> The GCC model involves a number of development phases and the above
>> comments would only relate to one of those phases.  At other times
>> increasingly strict controls are placed on what can be
>> committed/approved.  The GCC group spend a significant (out of
>> control?)  amount of their time trying to re-stablize GCC for their
>> releases.
>> 
>> For GDB, on the other hand, interesting development can and does get
>> approved/committed at any time.  GDB snaps are of such quality that we
>> can confidently refer someone to current sources for fixes (except
>> when I have a bad day like today :-).  Further, instead of using
>> official releases (and as you yourself have done) arbitrary snaps can
>> even make their way into a distro.
> 
> 
> The problem is, being that stable has a cost associated with it.  GCC
> pays that cost at certain parts in their cycle; we pay that cost all
> the time, every day.

GDB is less stable then you might think.  Right now while both:

- interps
- frame

are causing problems they are not getting in the way of DavidC's dwarf2 
stuff (gee wiz, both my doing :-/).  GDB always builds, gdb always 
`break main; run'.  Is that too much to ask?

The problem with GDB's stability is that allows people to quickly forget:

- what it is like with out it
- how much gain there is from it
- how relatively small the pain
- how much more expensive it is to have to re-do something later
- how, with a bit of peer revew, problematic code could have been done 
right the first time (and how much that fallout costs).

Andrew


  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-19 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-17 18:07 Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-17 21:01 ` Elena Zannoni
2003-02-19  1:49   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19  2:26     ` Joel Brobecker
2003-02-19 15:43       ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 16:29         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19 22:04           ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 13:24     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-19 15:51       ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 14:50     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 17:33       ` David Carlton
2003-02-19 17:57         ` Kevin Buettner
2003-02-19 18:56           ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 20:39             ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 23:17               ` Jason Molenda
2003-02-20  1:53                 ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 19:35           ` David Carlton
2003-02-20 18:32       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-02-22  0:53         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 15:12     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 15:21       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19 16:24         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 18:36           ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 23:36           ` Jason Molenda
2003-02-19 23:52             ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 23:59               ` Jason Molenda
2003-02-20  0:16                 ` Elena Zannoni
2003-02-20  0:21                 ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-18  2:39 ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-18  4:28 ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19  3:49   ` Jim Blandy
2003-02-19 16:14     ` Andrew Cagney [this message]
2003-02-19 16:31       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19  2:24 ` Jim Blandy
2003-02-19 16:33   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 22:24     ` Jim Blandy
2003-02-19 22:39       ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 22:53         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 23:53       ` Elena Zannoni
2003-02-20  1:27         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20  2:48   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-21 23:43   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-21 23:57   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19  6:05 ` David Carlton
2003-02-23 23:26 ` Mark Kettenis
2003-02-24  7:18   ` Andrew Cagney
     [not found] ` <drow@mvista.com>
2003-02-17 18:58   ` Kevin Buettner
2003-10-10 15:30   ` Unambiguously specifying source locations Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-10-10 15:44     ` David Ayers
2003-10-10 15:46       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-10-11  2:21     ` Felix Lee
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-24  5:29 [maint] The GDB maintenance process Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-02-20 20:11 Zaretskii Eli
2003-02-20 20:11 Zaretskii Eli
2003-02-20 14:58 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-20 15:56   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20 16:39     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20 15:16 ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-20 16:19   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20 16:24     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-20 16:31     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-20 17:13     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-22 23:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-02-23  1:57     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-23 19:23       ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-02-18  6:08 Zaretskii Eli
     [not found] <1024952640.13693.ezmlm@sources.redhat.com>
2002-06-25  1:48 ` GDB support for thread-local storage James Cownie
2002-06-25  8:05   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-06-25  8:31     ` James Cownie
2002-06-25  8:42       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-06-25  8:53         ` James Cownie
2002-06-25  8:56           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-06-25  9:11             ` James Cownie
2002-06-25  9:29               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-06-25 10:44             ` Andrew Cagney
2002-06-25 10:02               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-06-26 12:45                 ` Jim Blandy
2002-06-26 19:31                   ` Andrew Cagney
2002-06-26 21:57                     ` Jim Blandy
2002-06-27  8:13                       ` Andrew Cagney
2002-08-19  9:05                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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