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From: Jim Blandy <jimb@red-bean.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: gdb@sourceware.org, Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>,
	 "J.T. Conklin" <jtc@acorntoolworks.com>,
	 Fred Fish <fnf@ninemoons.com>,
	 Peter Schauer <Peter.Schauer@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>,
	 Elena Zannoni <ezannoni@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Maintainer policy for GDB
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:10:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8f2776cb0511171310m556a37c5r723cef451735a96a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uk6f7590n.fsf@gnu.org>

[I've dropped individuals from the CC list that I know to read gdb@ regularly.]

On 11/17/05, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > I have always been in favor of the concept that global maintainers should be
> > able to approve patches anywhere, without having to wait for area
> > maintainers.  If we don't trust each other enough for that, then we need to
> > work on the trust and/or the list of maintainers.
>
> The problem is, trust is built by following rules which are initially
> intentionally restrictive.  As the trust grows, the restrictions can
> be gradually lifted.

That's not the pattern I'm familiar with.  An organization can have
strict rules, and as trust is built up, people will tolerate those
rules being bent or set aside in specific cases.  But I've never seen
the restrictions be explicitly lifted as a result of that.  We have
restrictions in place that many of GDB's contributors don't like, and
which are definitely hampering progress.

> By contrast, you suggest to begin with unconditional trust.  We
> already tried that in the past, and we saw what happened.  Why try
> that again? why assume that what happened once, cannot happen again?

You need to be more specific.  I agree with your characterization that
we trusted too much in 1999 that everything would just work out, but I
don't see that this proposal makes the same mistake.  What particular
passages concern you?  What are their consequences?

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-17 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-17  4:48 Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-17 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 21:10   ` Jim Blandy [this message]
2005-11-18  3:07     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18  3:26       ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18  3:30         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18  3:33           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18  3:46           ` Wu Zhou
2005-11-18 11:09       ` Andrew STUBBS
2005-11-18 11:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 11:59           ` Andrew STUBBS
2005-11-18 13:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 15:26         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 18:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 18:44             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-11-18 18:51               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 21:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:46                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 22:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 22:41                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-19  9:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:51                   ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-18 22:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19  0:34                       ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-19 10:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-21  7:52                           ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-21 22:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 22:46                   ` David Carlton
2005-11-19 10:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-23  1:28                       ` David Carlton
2005-11-23 19:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-23 20:13                           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-24  4:51                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24 20:36                               ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-24 20:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24 21:20                                   ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-25  3:07                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25  8:36                                     ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-25  8:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 17:07                                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 19:53                                           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-25 20:43                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 20:10                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 21:03                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 21:38                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 23:04                                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 23:42                                                   ` Mark Kettenis
2005-11-26  0:03                                                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-26  9:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26  9:31                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27 15:07                                                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-28  8:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25  9:23                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 16:04                                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 20:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26  7:28                                           ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-26 15:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26 16:38                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 20:41                           ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-24  4:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24  2:05                           ` David Carlton
2005-11-24  6:17                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:09               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:32                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 12:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <8f2776cb0511162240q6f550008udda9803b5253fd88@mail.gmail.com>
2005-11-17  6:44   ` Fwd: " Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 14:04     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-17 17:07       ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 20:38         ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 20:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 20:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 23:10 ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 12:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 15:05     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 18:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 17:53     ` Paul Gilliam
2005-11-18 18:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 19:25         ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 21:02         ` Paul Gilliam
2005-11-19  2:44         ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 10:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 17:05             ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 22:21                 ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:23                   ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:25                     ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 22:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-20  5:28                     ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-20 19:22                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-20 21:55                         ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-20 22:01                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 19:50     ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 21:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 23:52 ` Mark Kettenis
2005-11-18 21:51 ` David Carlton
2005-11-27  4:50 Michael Snyder
2005-11-27  4:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27  5:00 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-11-27 19:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27 19:18 ` Christopher Faylor

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