From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEA43858004 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 05:05:54 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 6BEA43858004 Received: from vapier (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84B44335D91; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 05:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 01:05:52 -0400 From: Mike Frysinger To: andrew.burgess@embecosm.com Cc: gdb@sourceware.org, Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: sim: replacing ChangeLog files with online git logs Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: andrew.burgess@embecosm.com, gdb@sourceware.org, Eli Zaretskii References: <83ft0zjys1.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfarhwjq.fsf@gnu.org> <83eegjhuuq.fsf@gnu.org> <8335wyj461.fsf@gnu.org> <83tup9disi.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83tup9disi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 05:05:58 -0000 On 17 Mar 2021 15:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > From: Mike Frysinger > > > That's a different conclusions. You asked what people are doing with > > > the ChangeLogs, not whether it was mandatory to keep them. > > > > that's fair. my point/goal was that if there aren't requirements for it, > > and there isn't a compelling use case for keeping them, then the easiest > > thing is to do nothing and delete them. > > > > it seems that there isn't a requirement -> > > Indeed, there's no mandatory requirement to keep the files, not > anymore. > > > i'm skeptical that the logs add value as anyone who is going to contribute > > by diving into the source history would be online w/git access -> > > we punt the logs and stop wasting lots of developer time. > > I'm not sure I agree with your skepticism. And OTOH, producing the > ChangeLog from Git logs takes mere seconds and wastes no development > time. So I think on balance there's very little price to pay for > something that some people may value. Why refuse to pay that small > price and humor those few people? Andrew: you OK with me merging my patches ? https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174894.html https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174895.html i feel like we can & should make progress here: generating the files for release allows us to stop hand writing these entirely. we can then spend time debating the format (or whether to generate them) and not spend any time on hand writing. -mike