From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054DD385BF9E for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:45:28 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 054DD385BF9E Received: from vapier (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA7F533E830; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:45:24 -0400 From: Mike Frysinger To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: gdb@sourceware.org, Andrew Burgess Subject: Re: sim: replacing ChangeLog files with online git logs Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , gdb@sourceware.org, Andrew Burgess References: <83lfarhwjq.fsf@gnu.org> <83eegjhuuq.fsf@gnu.org> <8335wyj461.fsf@gnu.org> <83tup9disi.fsf@gnu.org> <20210323110638.GA6592@embecosm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210323110638.GA6592@embecosm.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:45:29 -0000 On 23 Mar 2021 11:06, Andrew Burgess wrote: > Mike Frysinger [2021-03-23 01:05:52 -0400]: > > On 17 Mar 2021 15:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Mike Frysinger > > > > > That's a different conclusions. You asked what people are doing with > > > > > the ChangeLogs, not whether it was mandatory to keep them. > > > > > > > > that's fair. my point/goal was that if there aren't requirements for it, > > > > and there isn't a compelling use case for keeping them, then the easiest > > > > thing is to do nothing and delete them. > > > > > > > > it seems that there isn't a requirement -> > > > > > > Indeed, there's no mandatory requirement to keep the files, not > > > anymore. > > > > > > > i'm skeptical that the logs add value as anyone who is going to contribute > > > > by diving into the source history would be online w/git access -> > > > > we punt the logs and stop wasting lots of developer time. > > > > > > I'm not sure I agree with your skepticism. And OTOH, producing the > > > ChangeLog from Git logs takes mere seconds and wastes no development > > > time. So I think on balance there's very little price to pay for > > > something that some people may value. Why refuse to pay that small > > > price and humor those few people? > > > > Andrew: you OK with me merging my patches ? > > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174894.html > > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174895.html > > > > i feel like we can & should make progress here: generating the files > > for release allows us to stop hand writing these entirely. we can > > then spend time debating the format (or whether to generate them) and > > not spend any time on hand writing. > > Sure, if that's what you want, go for it. I still don't > see/understand the value of the auto-generated files, but I'm coming > to the conclusion that I might never understand. i don't disagree, but i'm trying to make progress without getting stuck in the same rut we've been for years ;). Eli: those patches look OK to you too ? -mike