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From: Michael Eager <eager@eagercon.com>
To: Joel Sherrill <joel@rtems.org>,
	gdb@sourceware.org, Newlib <newlib@sourceware.org>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: Microblaze libgloss and gdb simulator
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:44:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdd89a72-3afc-0aa8-82f8-d16c3fac5c25@eagercon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YIX8mdx+Uk2fLG0J@vapier>

On 4/25/21 4:34 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> If you are simulating a program which uses libgloss and you expect the
>> behavior of brki to be a syscall, then this is a very reasonable way
>> to implement system calls.  Instead of taking the branch to the handler,
>> the simulator does whatever host system call it is supposed to do, then
>> returns, just as if there was an OS handling the system call.  (This is
>> what QEMU calls "semihosting".)
> 
> yes, this is exactly what we were thinking.  i wasn't aware of the QEMU
> terminology, thanks.  in the GNU sim, we call them "environments".  the
> default is the virtual environment which behaves this way: there is only
> one privilege level, and any exception processing is handled entirely in
> the sim itself.

The "semihosting" terminology may be an ARM-ism, rather than a QEMU-ism,
although that's where I saw it first mentioned.
https://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/armcc/armcc_pge1358787046598.htm
https://community.nxp.com/t5/LPCXpresso-IDE-FAQs/What-are-none-nohost-and-semihost-libraries/m-p/475327
The debugger (or debugger agent on the target) uses a side channel to
perform I/O on the host.

I wasn't aware of sim environments.  I haven't looked at gdb/sim in
a long time. :-)

>> I was thinking about the more general case, where you might be
>> simulating an image which includes an exception handler.  In this
>> case, the behavior you want is to take the exception and jump to the
>> excption handler address, instead of the simlator interpreting the
>> brki as a syscall.
> 
> absolutely this makes sense.  this would be the "operating" environment
> where the sim wouldn't hijack anything, and it would be responsible for
> emulating the various privilege levels such as setting mode bits and
> transferring control to any registered exception handlers.  this would
> be useful for e.g. fully simulating the Linux kernel & userland.
> 
> it sounds like we're in agreement.  if there's anyone you think we could
> or should consult before moving forward, please loop them in.

Go for it!

-- 
Michael Eager

      reply	other threads:[~2021-04-26  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-22 22:25 Joel Sherrill
     [not found] ` <CAF9ehCV8fPNObXbTALFFpfnOX53ZbKen-EdtNWWrsQNYekxnSQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-04-23  0:27   ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-23  0:55     ` Joel Sherrill
2021-04-23  1:19       ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-24  5:02         ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-25 17:21           ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-25 18:37             ` Michael Eager
2021-04-25 20:27               ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-25 22:29                 ` Michael Eager
2021-04-25 23:34                   ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-26  0:44                     ` Michael Eager [this message]

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