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Eigler" , Overseers mailing list Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar In-Reply-To: <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2022-10-04 10:19, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: >> I don't see a risk to freedom. The GNU toolchain is quite underfunded >> compared to llvm/clang and IMO it's a major risk to maintain status quo on >> that front. The GTI opens new avenues for funding aspects of the GNU >> toolchain without affecting its core governance. > > What aspects of the gnu toolchain are open to being funded via the > LF/GTI proposal, -other than- the vast majority of the funds being > redirected to its own managed services infrastructure? This current proposal is limited to infrastructure, which has ever-growing needs. Do you think the current proposal is not an upgrade to what we currently have? Sid