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From: Richard Earnshaw <Richard.Earnshaw@foss.arm.com>
To: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>,
	Nick Clifton <nickc@redhat.com>,
	Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>
Cc: "gdb@sourceware.org" <gdb@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: Adding a SECURITY.md document to the Binutils
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 15:50:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fae638f2-333c-1e62-5df4-154c590a862e@foss.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01b8e177-abfd-549e-768f-1995cab5c81d@gotplt.org>



On 13/04/2023 14:56, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> On 2023-04-13 09:40, Richard Earnshaw wrote:
>>> it just feels different because you elided the transport mechanism. 
>>> Fundamentally, it is unsafe to do anything with untrusted content 
>>> without sandboxing, so objdump is no different.  Sure, objdump is an 
>>> analysis tool, so it should be able to analyze foo.o without 
>>> crashing, but that's a robustness issue, not a security one.  The 
>>> security aspect should be handled by a sandbox.
>>
>> Sorry, I disagree.  Sending files to third parties is completely 
>> outside of the intended scope of objdump, so if it ends up being able 
>> to do so, that's a security issue.
> 
> You're mixing up scope.  Given the flexibility of ELF, it is possible to 
> get any ELF interpreter to do pretty much anything[1], including sending 
> files to arbitrary places, deleting parts of the filesystem the 
> executing user has access to, etc.  It is the responsibility of the 
> layer outside of objdump (i.e. the execution environment) to constrain 
> this.
> 
> To secure objdump and other tools from such compromise, what you'd 
> actually need is, e.g. a --isolate flag that does an unshare()/chroot() 
> holding the open file descriptor and does a very constrained analysis of 
> untrusted binaries.  That's one way we could control the execution 
> environment to make sure none of it leaks.
> 
> Sid
> 
> [1] 
> https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot13/woot13-shapiro.pdf

No, whilst elf can be executed, objdump should never be doing that: it's 
a tool for examining a file, not running it.  You have to have a tool 
that can safely examine the contents of an elf file or you can never 
verify it for issues - opening it up in emacs to examine the contents is 
not the way to do that :)

But all that is beside the point.  The original case I gave was a 
/corrupt/ elf file that caused a buffer overrun in the objdump binary.

R.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-13 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-07  8:42 Nick Clifton
2023-04-07 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 13:29   ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-11 14:23     ` Simon Marchi
2023-04-11 15:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 16:22         ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-11 16:32           ` Matt Rice
2023-04-11 18:18         ` J.W. Jagersma
2023-04-12  8:43           ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-08  6:30 ` Jan Beulich
2023-04-10 18:30 ` John Baldwin
2023-04-20 15:56   ` Nick Clifton
2023-04-11 19:45 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-12 16:02 ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-12 16:26   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-12 16:52     ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-12 16:58       ` Paul Koning
2023-04-12 17:10       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13  3:51         ` Alan Modra
2023-04-13  4:25           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13  5:16             ` Alan Modra
2023-04-13 12:00               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 10:25         ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 11:53           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 12:37             ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 12:54               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 13:11                 ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 13:35                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 13:40                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 13:56                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 14:50                         ` Richard Earnshaw [this message]
2023-04-13 15:02                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 15:05                             ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-13 16:42                               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14  9:52                                 ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-14 12:43                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14 12:49                                     ` Richard Earnshaw
2023-04-14 13:13                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 15:08                             ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 16:02                               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 16:49                                 ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 17:00                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 17:05                                     ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 17:29                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-13 17:37                                         ` Paul Koning
2023-04-13 18:16                                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14 17:37                                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-14 18:27                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-14 20:46                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-14 21:24                                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-04-17 15:31                                           ` Michael Matz
2023-04-17 19:55                                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-14 19:45                                       ` DJ Delorie
2023-04-14 20:49                                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-04-15  6:41                                           ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-04-13 16:06                               ` Richard Earnshaw

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