[Bug localedata/4098] New: pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names

[Bug localedata/4098] New: pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names

[stlman at poczta dot fm]

I updated my pl_PL data yesterday and I found it quite amusing ;-) that Roman
numbers have been used as abbreviated month (abmon) names. However, it looks
quite nice, there is one, I might suspect, unpredicted problem. There seem to be
a tradition that abbreviations were exactly three characters long. Some
programmes (e.g. mc) *assume* such constraint and fail to display dates
properly, especially August causes some problems (see attachment). I suggest to
revert that change back to what was in 1.18.

I am also not sure weather weekdays (abday) abbreviations should be in capital
letters but I am also not convinced that they shouldn't.

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           Summary: pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
        AssignedTo: libc-locales at sources dot redhat dot com
        ReportedBy: stlman at poczta dot fm
                CC: glibc-bugs at sources dot redhat dot com


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[Bug localedata/4098] pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names

[stlman at poczta dot fm]

------- Additional Comments From stlman at poczta dot fm  2007-02-25 10:40 -------
Created an attachment (id=1580)
 --> (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1580&action=view)
Roman numbers as abmon

Notice the misalignment in the date column and especially bad effect in case of
gnucash (in the left panel).

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[Bug localedata/4098] pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names

[drepper at redhat dot com]

------- Additional Comments From drepper at redhat dot com  2007-04-28 08:02 -------
It is a bug in the program if it assumes three letter abbreviations.  I'm not
going to revert anything.  If you have problems fight it out with the person who
proposed the change.  But do not make a decision based on the broken program's
behavior.

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |WONTFIX


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[Bug localedata/4098] pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names

[qrczak at knm dot org dot pl]

------- Additional Comments From qrczak at knm dot org dot pl  2007-05-19 15:30 -------
I would like to confirm that the new date format is the most appropriate for
Polish, with Roman numerals as months, capitalized two-letter abbreviations of
week days (except "N" = Sunday), and "day month year" order. Even though other
formats are used too. Thank you for the change.

Indeed mc has a problem.

BTW, Polish always uses Roman numerals for standalone centuries. There is no
locale entry for that, and probably no need.

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[Bug localedata/4098] pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names

[zbiggy at o2 dot pl]

------- Additional Comments From zbiggy at o2 dot pl  2007-09-25 20:15 -------
(In reply to comment #2)
> It is a bug in the program if it assumes three letter abbreviations.  I'm not
> going to revert anything.  If you have problems fight it out with the person who
> proposed the change.  But do not make a decision based on the broken program's
> behavior.

pl_PL-LC_TIME.patch from bug #3156 broke everything. Bad date format breaks mc
and other programs, makes users nervous. Every programmer knows about: "garbage
on input == garbage on output". You can not blame software for breakage when bad
date is provided somewhere else.

If Roman month numbering for Polish locales will not be removed from glibc we
will remove it on end user level by patching glibc sources before compilation stage.

Roman month numbering is present in Poland only in documents as artistic effect
(together with gothic font and A.D. (Anno Domini) prefix before date).

I understand some people find Roman month numbering nice looking (like gothic
font) but this minority can not force their taste to whole community and break:
-data processing of applications and system scripts,
-National standard PN-EN 28601:2002 which is the same as ISO 8601:2004,
-Date format present everywhere in paper documents.

I ask glibc developers for reverting pl_PL-LC_TIME.patch from bug #3156 to
restore valid date format by removing Roman month numbering.

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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|WONTFIX                     |


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[Bug localedata/4098] pl_PL, Roman numbers as abbreviated month names

[drepper at redhat dot com]

------- Additional Comments From drepper at redhat dot com  2007-10-14 20:52 -------
I've changed the data according to the results of the vote.

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             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED


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