[Bug localedata/5814] New: bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale

[Bug localedata/5814] New: bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale

[hhaamu at gmail dot com]

The correct separator for the Finnish time format is . (full stop), however,
glibc has it currently as : (colon).

To clarify: H.mm.ss (like sv_SE), not hh:mm:ss (like en_US).

http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6379382
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/data/charts/summary/fi.html (row 2453)

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           Summary: bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
        AssignedTo: libc-locales at sources dot redhat dot com
        ReportedBy: hhaamu at gmail dot com
                CC: glibc-bugs at sources dot redhat dot com


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[Bug localedata/5814] bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale

[drepper at redhat dot com]

------- Additional Comments From drepper at redhat dot com  2008-03-04 01:55 -------
You have to provide evidence in the form of official specification, government
publications, or (failing the prior) newspaper websites.

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[Bug localedata/5814] bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale

[hhaamu at gmail dot com]

------- Additional Comments From hhaamu at gmail dot com  2008-03-04 10:00 -------
The national standard is SFS 4175, a copy of which is only available for a fee:
http://www.sfs.fi/luettelo/sfs.php?standard=SFS+4175

The national broadcasting corporation's news page: http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/
Timetables from the parliament:
http://web.eduskunta.fi/Resource.phx/eduskunta/organisaatio/taysistunto/viikontaysistunnot.htx

This is quite embarrassing, I can't actually find many newspapers' web sites
which use H.mm

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/kielenopas/5.2.html#klo (an unofficial language
guide) refers to the SFS standard and mentions:
"in practice the colon is used a lot [...] slightly clearer than the full stop
[...] this markup can be recommended for multilingual documents." He goes on
using the full stop and colon interchangeably.

other:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/globalization/locales/Finland-Finnish_Date.pdf

I'll see if I can find anything else if more is needed.

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[Bug localedata/5814] bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale

[drepper at redhat dot com]

------- Additional Comments From drepper at redhat dot com  2008-06-25 19:35 -------
The example of the parliament's web page was bad, it showed the US-style format
even in the Finnish version.  But I dug into it a bit more and there is evidence
enough.

What I don't understand is why it's done this way since one cannot distinguish
the text from a date using the two-digit year notation.  In the Swedish locale
it is possible.

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[Bug localedata/5814] bad time format for Finnish fi_FI locale

[hhaamu at gmail dot com]

------- Additional Comments From hhaamu at gmail dot com  2008-06-26 13:14 -------
(In reply to comment #3)
> What I don't understand is why it's done this way since one cannot distinguish
> the text from a date using the two-digit year notation.

You're correct that they look identical for months 10-12, but times are usually
prefixed with "kello" or "klo" to remove ambiguity. The four-digit year also
seems to be preferred.

Dates:
10.2.2008
10.2. (note trailing full stop)
10.2.08
to 10. helmikuuta 2008

Times:
13.37
13.37.42
13.37.42,85

Full:
10.2.2008 klo 13.37
torstai 10. helmikuuta 2008 kello 13.37

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