[Bug localedata/11945] New: Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase

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* [Bug localedata/11945] New: Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
@ 2010-08-25 12:58 martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
  2010-08-25 12:59 ` [Bug localedata/11945] " martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
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From: martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com @ 2010-08-25 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
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>From original bug report at https://launchpad.net/bugs/124987:

-------------------
Current date format for Russian locale is:
"&#1042;&#1090;&#1088;, 10 &#1048;&#1102;&#1083;, 00:31".

1. According to Russian writing practice, month names are not capitalized. So if
month name doesn't stay in the beginning of the sentence, its first letter
should not be capital (for example: "10 &#1080;&#1102;&#1083;&#1103;" or "10 &#1080;&#1102;&#1083;" for abbreviation).

2. 3 letter abbreviations for weekdays are very rare in Russian. It is better to
use 2 letters (&#1055;&#1085;, &#1042;&#1090;, &#1057;&#1088;, &#1063;&#1090;, &#1055;&#1090;, &#1057;&#1073;, &#1042;&#1089;).
-------------------------------

As a reference, both month names and weekday names appear on the Russian
president's site: http://www.kremlin.ru/news

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           Summary: Month names in Russian Localization should be in
                    lowercase
           Product: glibc
           Version: 2.9
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
        AssignedTo: libc-locales at sources dot redhat dot com
        ReportedBy: martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
                CC: glibc-bugs at sources dot redhat dot com


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* [Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
  2010-08-25 12:58 [Bug localedata/11945] New: Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
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  2010-08-25 13:02 ` martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
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------- Additional Comments From martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com  2010-08-25 12:59 -------
Argh, please have a look at the LP bug for the Russian parts of the bug report.

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* [Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
  2010-08-25 12:58 [Bug localedata/11945] New: Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
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------- Additional Comments From martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com  2010-08-25 13:02 -------
Created an attachment (id=4949)
 --> (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=4949&action=view)
patch


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* [Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
  2010-08-25 12:58 [Bug localedata/11945] New: Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
  2010-08-25 12:59 ` [Bug localedata/11945] " martin dot pitt at ubuntu dot com
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------- Additional Comments From mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com  2010-09-05 17:26 -------
This bug still cannot be fixed properly because locale support in glibc was 
done by redneck retards who don't know there are other languages except 
english. This patch will not be of much use sadly.

And FFS, why there are dots (.) in weekdays and months? show me calendar with 
dots, clowns.

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* [Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
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@ 2011-05-09 23:14 ` drepper.fsp at gmail dot com
  2012-08-27 19:57 ` dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru
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From: drepper.fsp at gmail dot com @ 2011-05-09 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Ulrich Drepper <drepper.fsp at gmail dot com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
                 CC|                            |drepper.fsp at gmail dot
                   |                            |com
         Resolution|                            |FIXED

--- Comment #4 from Ulrich Drepper <drepper.fsp at gmail dot com> 2011-05-09 23:13:50 UTC ---
Don't reference other bug reporting systems here and attached patches which
actually apply.  I applied it this time.

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* [Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
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  2011-05-09 23:14 ` drepper.fsp at gmail dot com
@ 2012-08-27 19:57 ` dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru
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Dmitry Agafonov <dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
                 CC|                            |dmitry at agafonov dot
                   |                            |pp.ru
         Resolution|FIXED                       |

--- Comment #5 from Dmitry Agafonov <dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru> 2012-08-27 19:56:41 UTC ---
Martin, Ulrich: Due to unexpected side effects of the patch, we ask you to
revert it. Software, which caused the initial visible error, was replaced in
system, but other do suffer from the patch.

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* [Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
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  2011-05-09 23:14 ` drepper.fsp at gmail dot com
  2012-08-27 19:57 ` dmitry at agafonov dot pp.ru
@ 2012-08-27 21:49 ` ldv at altlinux dot org
  2012-08-28 22:27 ` ldv at altlinux dot org
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From: ldv at altlinux dot org @ 2012-08-27 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED

--- Comment #6 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-08-27 21:49:11 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> Martin, Ulrich: Due to unexpected side effects of the patch, we ask you to
> revert it. Software, which caused the initial visible error, was replaced in
> system, but other do suffer from the patch.

Dmitry, the controversial change you are talking about was proposed two years
ago, and it was finally applied in 2011, thus making this particular bug report
closed.

If you suggest to revert the change, please file a separate bug report with all
necessary references supporting your proposal.

Personally, I concur the change was erroneous, and I certainly reverted it in
the glibc package I maintain as soon as I saw its ugly results.  But the
original bug report should remain in the "fixed" state nevertheless.

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* [Bug localedata/11945] Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase
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--- Comment #7 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-08-28 22:27:25 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #6)
> If you suggest to revert the change, please file a separate bug report with all
> necessary references supporting your proposal.

btw, a bug about LC_TIME/abday appears to be filed even before this one:
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873
Looks like it already contains all necessary references.

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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
                 CC|                            |ldv at altlinux dot org
         Resolution|FIXED                       |

--- Comment #8 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-11-03 16:18:56 UTC ---
Well, I have to comment on this finally.

First of all, the patch that was actually applied
(http://git.altlinux.org/gears/g/..git?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=glibc-2.13-145-gf498392)
does something very different from its description (Lowercase month names). 
Besides the change of abbreviated month names to lowercase (which is probably
OK), it also slipped in a mix of other changes:
- change of abbreviated day names from fixed three-letter form to fixed
two-letter form (actually fixes
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873 which provides a good set
of references);
- unjustified addition of trailing dots to abbreviated day names (it's plain
wrong);
- unjustified addition of trailing dots to abbreviated month names (it's also
plain wrong);
- unjustified change of abbreviated month names from nominative to genitive
(it's also wrong and it actually reverts the fix made for
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=525);
- unjustified change of abbreviated month names from fixed three-letter form to
variable length form (just a nonsense).

Second, the procedure of describing changes, getting an approval from the
locale maintainer and providing good references (as described in
http://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Contribution%20checklist#Qualification_.28Locales.29)
was totally scrapped.

What I suggest in the way of recovery is to revert all these unjustified
changes.  The only changes that can remain are:
- change of abbreviated month names to lowercase (a fix for this bug report);
- change of abbreviated day names to two-letter form (a fix for
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873).

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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Blocks|                            |14807

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Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED

--- Comment #9 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-11-05 16:26:16 UTC ---
Moving the discussion of recovery to
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10873 (abday) and
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14807 (abmon).

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Jackie Rosen <jackie.rosen at hushmail dot com> changed:

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--- Comment #10 from Jackie Rosen <jackie.rosen at hushmail dot com> ---
*** Bug 260998 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Seen from the domain http://volichat.com
Page where seen: http://volichat.com/adult-chat-rooms
Marked for reference. Resolved as fixed @bugzilla.

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